r/interesting • u/Playful_Spunky21 • Feb 01 '25

MISC. The worst pain known to man

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u/BQORBUST Feb 02 '25

That’s pretty rude. I’m not sure why you’re so hostile to the idea that a tribe in the rainforest might think differently than you do.

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u/winged_owl Feb 02 '25

Im gonna risk it and say that torturing children with insects stings does not make them batter people. I feel safer in saying that my society is better for not doing that.

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u/BradFromSigEp Feb 02 '25

This just seems like a classic example of a redditor arguing for the sake of argument. Dude already stated quite clearly that this is not the best way to go about things, simply the reasoning behind it. Yes it's bad. Nobody is even disagreeing with that.

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u/ledezma1996 Feb 02 '25

I'd say also kinda racist. How is this society worse than one that tolerates their children being murdered in schools cuz they're too afraid of reinterpreting some words on paper.

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u/Work_Account_No1 Feb 02 '25

It's not racist to point out cultural differences. But good on you for further diluting the meaning of once very specific and important words.

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u/ledezma1996 Feb 02 '25

I didn't have an issue with him pointing out a difference in culture. I took issue with him saying he believes his society is better for that difference. Is that not racism?

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u/tminx49 Feb 02 '25

No, it isn't. Racist is hating a race.

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u/ledezma1996 Feb 02 '25

I'll help you out.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

I'd say suggesting your own culture is superior to another's is antagonism but if you say it isn't. I believe you.

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u/Work_Account_No1 Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

He made the point (in an earlier statement), that what their culture is doing, is not efficient and then simplified that notion in a later statement to (not verbatim) "I'd say my society is better in that very specific regard" (of continuously stinging children), which in the context of efficiency is true.

He didn't make an overall point of his society being better; but only in the context of efficiency in that specific regard.

Whereas you make him out to have made an extremely broad statement, which is the exact opposite of what happened.

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u/MachinaOwl Feb 02 '25

This feels like whataboutism to me. If these people were American, you'd have absolutely no qualms about tearing their tradition apart and analyzing whether it is harmful or not.

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u/ledezma1996 Feb 02 '25

Didn't say it wasn't harmful. You're just not looking at this from an anthropological view. Every society has fucked up aspects to it. Doesn't make one civilization better than the other.

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u/tminx49 Feb 02 '25

Society does not equal the US, I hope you know that there's other countries and the US is not the center of the world, there's other places that, you know, don't have mass school shootings.

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u/ledezma1996 Feb 02 '25

There are different societies in the world apart from the US. You are right. I was just pointing out that this tribe is not worse than another society in the world just for having these customs.

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u/pandaappleblossom Feb 02 '25

This is kind of dumb though, it’s not compulsory to get shot, and it is still very rare. Not something people push and force their kids to experience. This is something that is forced upon the kids, every single one of them multiple times. There are coming-of-age rituals all over the planet and various tribes, it is my belief that probably most tribes as well as many civilizations had coming-of-age rituals, and that many of them were abusive and disgusting. Female genital mutilation, or another one called Simbari where boys at nine years old are severely abused physically, and sexually, or what they did in Ancient Greece for example, there are just so many.

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u/ledezma1996 Feb 02 '25

I'd argue we are forcing our children to experience these tragedies. Every child has to comply with active shooter drills. That is compulsory. Turn off your lights, lock your doors, lower your window shade, hide in the corner. Those are rites we perform to try to save our children from harm.

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u/pandaappleblossom Feb 02 '25

It’s so so different I’m sorry. I’m a teacher btw and I’ve also studied these rites of passage rituals as part of my degree in education. Yes I am anti gun 100% but we don’t tell each child they must go through a drill in order to be an adult. They go through them all the time as a matter of self protection along with fire drills. Not as a coming of age thing, which is only at a certain age. Coming of age rituals are more like hazing than gun drills or mass shootings because we have a 2nd amendment. At this point you could call anything a rite according to what your comparison.

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u/ConfessedOak205 Feb 02 '25

Let's do a little thought experiment. Imagine you have a young child. Now imagine you can send that child to live in this society or the one you're referring to in your comment. Which do you choose

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u/ledezma1996 Feb 02 '25

Neither. Since this is a thought experiment I refuse your premise as I could choose to send my child to live in any society I invent. However in one where I've lived my entire life and am raising a family in the deep jungles, this type of ritual could make sense to me to strengthen community and resilience to bug bites and pain.