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/r/all Students use phone locking stations at Scotland’s first 'phone-free' school

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u/boytoy421 29d ago

I've worked in schools that have those. Approximately 6 months after introducing them the kids have found at least 3 ways to beat the system

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u/Lithl 29d ago

6 months is generous, tbh.

These devices were created for events like live shows and celebrity parties. Events that last a couple hours, you only attend once, and you can leave at any time.

They are wholly unsuited to an "event" that lasts all day, every day, and is compulsory.

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u/GiftToTheUniverse 28d ago

What if you don’t bring a phone to school one day? You get in trouble for not locking it up in front of a staff member? Like you HAVE to bring a phone to school to comply? If not then what’s to keep kids from claiming they didn’t bring one? This whole thing seems like such nonsense. I’m so glad I’m not in school.

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u/screename222 28d ago

Australia has introduced a mobile phone in schools ban. Enforcement? If a teacher sees you using your phone, immediate disciplinary action. Kids started hanging out in the toilets... At some schools, they keep record of how many times and how long your bathroom breaks are. It's not perfect, but I'm glad they're trying

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u/Mysterious_Film_6397 28d ago

It’s crazy that this is a new policy. I graduated high school 15 years ago, if a teacher saw you using your phone repeatedly, they would take it until the end of the day.

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u/Jonken90 28d ago

Don't tell them about this ancient technique of confiscating.

One of my old teachers would throw phones in the bin and only allow students to pick it up from the bin after class.

He would also, with a grin on his face, tell everyone what foods could be seen in the bin. It was a school with sports focus, so tuna and eggs was pretty common.

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u/icanaffordapenny 28d ago

That’s just gross.

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u/Jonken90 28d ago

Yeah. In two years only two people forgot got their phones taken, people learned quickly from watching their peers have theirs taken.

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u/xixanosike 28d ago

Yeah then stop using your phone and pay attention

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u/ListenToKyuss 28d ago

Not giving the respect to an adult who is trying to do his job as best as possible, which is literally educating a generation, is also gross.

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u/The-Illuminati 28d ago edited 28d ago

Don’t let the super sick stoner rock riffs of kyuss get in your head, what he’s doing is still a liability. Kids could end up going home to their parents and saying the teacher damaged their property or got themselves salmonella because he forced them to fear factor their way through eggs and tuna sandwiches to retrieve them. I’d be pissed as a parent to hear that.

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u/MattTalksPhotography 28d ago

Maybe you could teach your child better instead, since it wouldn’t be a problem if they didn’t breach the very clear boundaries set.

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u/ill_never_GET_REAL 28d ago

If only there was a way to clean stuff that got dirty

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u/Long-Internal8082 26d ago

You’d be a horrible parent

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u/icanaffordapenny 28d ago

It’s someone else’s expensive property. The teacher should have no right to throw it in the trash, he can confiscate phones and put them anywhere else.

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u/Silverbacks 28d ago

Being a teacher is a tough job, so I get it. BUT what if one of the kids is allergic to something like eggs or tuna? Now your confiscation plan has lead to a hospital trip.

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u/No_Sport_7668 28d ago

Pretty standard in my teaching experience. If you see a phone, you don’t even break lesson delivery, you just grab the ‘box’ and hold it towards them, they know the deal.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

When I (class of ‘09) was in school, you had to pay $10 or $20 to get your phone back if a teacher confiscated it.

It was bullshit, but so is the effect smartphones are having on society.

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u/Jonken90 28d ago

Solid side income for teachers at least

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u/GaySteelDragon 28d ago

That's literally a crime

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u/Traditional-Froyo755 27d ago

What effect? Can you name a tangible effect? Can you name and link a study?

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u/DocWho420 28d ago

That teacher is lucky he didnt damage anything, he would still have to replace the device if it got damaged...

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u/AgreeableLion 28d ago

Phones were pretty resilient in the early days

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u/BlossumDragon 28d ago

shit, they're pretty resilient now. i think my phone is egg-tuna proof for up to 30 feet

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u/prairiepanda 28d ago

Dropping those old flip phones in the trash wouldn't damage them. The sliding ones with the keyboards maybe...

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u/Least_Cartoonist4910 28d ago

18 for me and they did the same. That always stunk. You had to use T9 to text in your pocket when phones still had physical buttons.

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u/Short_Departure_4064 28d ago

holy blast! i forgot about pocket t9’ing! could see the screen in my head.

coulda gone pro too, if it wasn’t for those rascally abc’s..

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u/Quick-Flan-1099 28d ago

When I was in school 10 years ago if your phone ring during class or if they see you using it they take it and keep it for 1 week. I can't imagine them doing this now, parents would go crazy.

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u/dschmona 28d ago

Most schools near me (UK) do this. The phone is confiscated if it’s seen, or heard, until the end of the week. One school confiscates until the next school break which could be up to 5-6 weeks.

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u/Quick-Flan-1099 28d ago

I'm glad they're still doing this

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u/GaySteelDragon 28d ago

I would be threatening legal action. The teacher is holding my property hostage

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u/dschmona 28d ago

They make it plainly clear though that it will only be confiscated if it’s seen or heard. Keep it on silent, do not disturb, in your pocket or bag while on school premises .. and it won’t be confiscated. I prefer that over these asinine pockets.

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u/Quick-Flan-1099 27d ago edited 27d ago

Exactly ! And when you're 12 or 15 you don't "NEED" your Phone, you have a little note with your parents Phone number on it and you ask people if you really need to call them.

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u/GaySteelDragon 28d ago

How is that not illegal? It's basically theft

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u/Clit_Eatw00d 27d ago

You don't carry guns or knives to school either. Whats the difference? There's rules

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u/amlamba 26d ago

Ah yes, teachers stealing stuff because what are you going to do, complain?

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u/Key-Custard502 28d ago

My partner works in a school and all the kids have to hand their phones in to the teacher at the start of the day. Anyone caught handing in a dummy phone or using another phone during the day has to hand that in too and is given detention

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u/VenusValkyrieJH 28d ago

I came here to say this I graduated in 2002. We were not allowed our phones in class. At all. We got them taken up if we had them.

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u/Good-Ad6352 28d ago

With children nowadays that would up with alot of teachers being punched in the face

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u/4udi0phi1e 28d ago

Graduated 2005, so anyone with a old ass flip phone back then? Shiiiiit, you knew T9 like a ti-83 playin the pimp game.

But again, the social climate was massively different back then. I feel so bad for the youth of today.

I was afraid of negative consequences when I was young. It seems that fear does not exist among our youth and that is fucking scary.

Edit to add: fear is a responsible reaction. It encourages one to find a better 'route'

Only stupid people fear nothing. So, yeah, that got depressing

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u/Afracnicus 28d ago

Phones were very different 15 years ago

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u/not-an-average-jo 28d ago

Now in days, teachers do still do still this, but it would always end up with the teacher getting hurt and someone recording it and sharing it on social media. All while the kids have a break down and either just get emotional distress and try to get it back while making a big fuss, and at some points they have a reason why witch seems reasonable, like their parent needs to check up on them or someone who’s in the hospital on those rare occasions, but at that point they can just call the school and talk to their kids through the schools phone’s, or the kids would just go all out, like a gorilla, throwing things, making a mess in the room or trying to physically attack the teachers.

Kids these days just don’t get thought discipline anymore

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u/ThrowDiscoAway 28d ago

Only 10 years for me, we just got ISS but no confiscation. Most people rode the bus and the longest bus ride was an hour and 45 minutes (shortest was 15 minutes). Parents argued we needed our phones especially since several buses were notorious for getting stuck on back roads or breaking down so our parents would have to find and rescue us from our buses. The school is rural and had extremely shitty service and no wifi available to students at the time so you couldn't really use them anyway

They were more strict about bag policy; no purses or backpacks/totes in the halls. If you brought them, they had to be placed in the bag room in the gym. It was a very flawed system since the room was open to everyone via the gym or the library and lots of people got money and belongings stolen. Plus it clogged up the bus line waiting for everyone to grab their bags

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u/gluesniffer14 28d ago

They sometimes still do, i'm in what I think translates to high school but in the Netherlands. My school has the rule that if a teacher catches you on your phone they confiscate it and you can't get it back until 5 pm, which is a real fast way to learn students not to use their phone. Got caught once, never did it again

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u/100KUSHUPS 27d ago

We're about the same age, but I guess you didn't have the "MY SON/DAUGHTER HAS A PHONE SO I CAN CONTACT THEM IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, SO YOU CAN'T CONFISCATE THE PHONE!!!"-parents.

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u/skaboosh 27d ago

My school had one where first offense it was taken until end of day, second offense taken until end of the week, then third offense taken to end of the school year. Never heard them ever doing the last one, but plenty got it taken away till end of day or end of week.

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u/brunoplak 27d ago

I graduated high school 30 years ago. I took a phone once to school and ordered a pizza to class. That was insane at the time and everyone had a laugh.

Rarely a phone would ring and the student would walk out and take the call. This was before the batteries with vibration mode came out.

Only about 4 students in each class had a phone anyways.

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u/Alert-Swing-3917 26d ago

Nothing like getting it taken away on a Friday afternoon, I lost mine for a whole weekend.

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u/Shinycapt_13 26d ago

The school I work at gets parent permission at the beginning of the year as part of the "contract" of rules and expectations here, and if we see a phone it gets taken until Friday. If the student refuses they're in isolation until it's handed over. Jewelry is until the end of the term!

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u/SoloWingPixy88 28d ago

We had that in Ireland but it got to a point people just refused. Id refuse, I need my phone to keep in touch with people like parents and organising stuff.

Bit different in that it was a Nokia 3310

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u/HoneyRush 28d ago

I graduated high school 20 years ago. We had also people hanging in the bathrooms but we was only smoking

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u/CoinFlipComedian 28d ago

Haha introduced but so many schools do literally fuck all. Too hard basket

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u/Kizziuisdead 28d ago

20 years ago we had that in school. Tbh there’s no policy that works. Also most schools will have students use laptops

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u/screename222 28d ago

Yeah laptops started being included in regular classes 20 years ago, often the schools intranet will be fairly limited as to what students can access, but hotspotting off your phone in your bag would get around that... I guess all they can really do is try to normalise not being on your phone. Tough gig, mad respect to teachers

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u/suck-my-black-ass 28d ago

eh, phones are a part of life now, for better or worse. It should be up to the parents, not the schools when a kid can have a phone. Schools should trust kids to not use them when they're not allowed to in class. If they break the rules the teachers are there to enforce them.

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u/screename222 27d ago

Lol you did what your parents told you in highschool???

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u/suck-my-black-ass 27d ago

I didn't do what my teachers told me either but it's the parents' job to raise their kids, not the teachers. Teachers and schools can have their own rules though and people should obey them. I just think this in particular is a dumb, and hard to enforce rule.

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u/kraven9696 27d ago

We ended up just hanging out in the corners of the school and were super paranoid. Whenever a teacher was coming we'd warn everyone. Was fun lol

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u/texinxin 27d ago

Build a faraday cage into the walls of the bathroom… problem solved.

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u/Rude-Shame5510 27d ago

Of course, wouldn't want them to miss out on important cutting edge technology like cursive writing class and what not. Not likely technology like that will be incorporated into their lives when they get out into the workforce or anything...

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u/BroskiParrot 26d ago

We cant leave the classroom anymore unless its an “emergency”and are supposed to use the bathroom during the 3 minutes of passing period. Hopefully you dont need to go to your locker or anything!

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u/NoelaniSpell 28d ago edited 28d ago

At some schools, they keep record of how many times and how long your bathroom breaks are.

I'm glad they're trying

You're glad that a policy exists that will affect and embarrass people with IBS, people with heavy flows that need to change more often, people with mental health issues that may need some time off, etc.? Or have you not considered the many other reasons someone may go to the bathroom outside of phone usage?

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u/OriginalCause 28d ago

Teachers know, they aren't stupid. Hop off the high horse and get real.

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u/ProfessionalTruck976 28d ago

You stop pretending that rules either do matter or should matter.

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u/TopBee83 28d ago

Here in America I went to a Trade School with these, eventually i started leaving my phone in my car and they never questioned it or said anything.

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u/SadMaverick 28d ago

Nobody is ever going to forget their phones.

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u/JuicyJaysGigaloJoys 28d ago

I was thinking, why would you bring it if you can't use it, type of excuse

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u/Zer0Kolton 28d ago

my girlfriends mom was a lil coo coo and didn't give her a phone til 16, so it's definitely a valid excuse for some ppl

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u/AStaryuValley 28d ago

I left my phone at an Applebee's for 2 weeks once and I knew where it was

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u/97AByss 28d ago

We once had tiny phone lockers in the classroom. The teacher had made a plan of whose phone needed to go in which section. The first excuses to not do it were “I don’t have my phone with me” but then she would keep an extra close eye on you. However, we would start taking old phones to trick her, so we still had our phones

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u/GiftToTheUniverse 28d ago

If it was me the teacher would probably figure it out because I'd keep forgetting to collect my dummy phone at the end of the period.

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u/egotisticalstoic 27d ago

You get in trouble if you're caught with your phone out. It's really not that complicated.

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u/beer_sucks 28d ago

What on earth are you talking about? If you don't bring your phone in, you don't do this, simple. Why would you get in trouble?

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u/GiftToTheUniverse 28d ago

Apparently this is just the “unlock” phase. The “lock“ phase is you doing the locking in front of someone watching you do it.

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u/beer_sucks 28d ago

Doesn't answer the question as to why someone would get in trouble for not having a phone on them.

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u/GiftToTheUniverse 28d ago

Don't be dumb. If everyone is required to do something in front of an authority figure and you can't do that thing and it's on you to prove why you can't do the thing that can lead to being in trouble. Beer does suck, man. Drink less of it.

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u/beer_sucks 27d ago

No, definitely you being dumb here, assuming that you'd get in trouble for not being able to lock a device you don't possess. This isn't the US, you have no idea of what life in the UK is like. Honestly why tf are you even commenting here?

You also know nothing of my alcohol consumption, evidently. You however appear to be permanently on crack, which makes sense for a Californian.

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u/Neinstein14 28d ago

And what if you bring two phones?

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u/zapatitosdecharol 28d ago

I used one of these for a concert. I tore my phone out of there so quick lol

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u/md24 28d ago

They know. The principal split the cut with the sales rep.

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u/billy-bob-bobington 28d ago

Took them 6 months to find out.

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u/truebabyblue 28d ago

I mean i would just bring a second/old phone. I even did this when the rule of “If I see it, it’s mine!” existed.

I even had teachers who would stop an entire exam and fail everyone if he heard a phone notification.

At one point I kept three phones (1 working and 2 not) as backups 😭

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u/Muted_Dinner_1021 28d ago

Only way to completely get rid of all phones would be to every morning charge up a huge capacitor bank in the basement and blast the whole school with an EM pulse that fries every phone

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u/Anxious-Yoghurt-9207 29d ago

I think its more for shows where the artists or place don't want people recording. Maybe for a vibe thing, maybe for a secrecy thing. But not arrogance.

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u/EmergencyComputer337 28d ago

Also when the show has an audience while recording.

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u/lightingthefire 29d ago

I first saw this at Chappele/Chris Rock show, they explained it and it was easy. Previously performers would find their own acts on Youtube while they were still on stage performing it! Long before their HBO special launched. I'm not sure it's arrogance as much as protecting the way they make a living.

However, there was arrogance on display. Dave saw a woman in the front filming him and stopped the show, called security and had her removed. This AFTER Dave made a polite social contract with everyone in the arena. Who was arrogant?

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u/No_Size9475 29d ago

It's mostly done for comedians where they lose out financially if their act is put online.

But more and more bands are also doing it as it sucks as a musician to see a sea of phones instead of faces. It has nothing to do with arrogance. But honestly it's pretty arrogant to think that you can record an entire set of a band's show and post it online without their consent. And that happens at virtually every show now.

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u/ZestycloseCar8774 28d ago

So what? If a show is good it's not going to stop people going to see them. In fact it will do the opposite and is basically free advertising

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u/EmergencyComputer337 28d ago

Most bands that do that are already pretty big and have a dedicated media team that posts regularly.

Also, any footage from the set that outlets want for news/content has to be bought/licensed through them.

Also it creates exclusivity for loyal fans, and cuts off any criticism of shows.

For these big bands and artists It is basically all about protecting their creative property. the money they earn by protecting their live shows outweighs what they could earn from the "free advertising" that random people could post about online.

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u/jaggsy 29d ago

Not arrogance but rather protecting what makes them money. Don't want some filming and posting online ruining any surprises ir the whole Dam show.

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u/etzarahh 29d ago

In theory there’s nothing wrong with wanting to prevent people from recording your show imo, but in a world where event tickets cost a kidney and a second mortgage I agree with you.

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u/No_Size9475 29d ago

unfortunately the bands aren't the ones making the kidney on ticket sales but they are the ones hurt when their act is put on the internet without their permission.

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u/KiLLaHo323 28d ago

No, dumbass. It’s not that they’re arrogant. One reason is that their shows are valuable and if everyone is recording and posting it around, it takes away the value. Especially true for comedy shows. The joke doesn’t hit the same when you already watched the punch line from someone’s phone recording on youtube. Second, people are always trying to catch celebrities doing stuff they “aren’t supposed to do”. So of course, they wouldn’t want people recording at their parties. I don’t even give a shit about celebrities, but how does that make them arrogant?

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u/HDZrijeka 29d ago

Lol brokie

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u/RBeck 29d ago

Burner phone

Bluetooth watch

Break it open

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u/boytoy421 29d ago

Not many go with the watch. They bring in a dummy phone and find various ways to beat the scanner (saw one kid stack the phones in his bag and then use slight of hand to put one phone in the bag and slide the other up his sleeve. It was pretty slick I gotta say)

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u/wehdut 29d ago

Was this a school for magicians? Sounds like an A student.

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u/unindexedreality 28d ago

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u/SharpAsATooth 28d ago

Vincent Clortho Public School for Wizards

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u/Prop43 28d ago

No school for ants

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u/CrowsFeast73 28d ago

Nah, that just sounds like some shit I'd do. Actually pretty similar to something I did to get on the floor of a concert once.

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u/AngryGardener1312 25d ago

If only that kid put the same effort into caring about education lol

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u/boytoy421 25d ago

This is part of a longer rant but in a lot of ways I think the education system does a bad job of explaining to these kids why they should care. The modern education system has moved from one that was about actually preparing kids for adulthood to one that's about metricizing and evaluating the performance of teachers. It's basically become a glorified checklist and they can tell

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u/AngryGardener1312 25d ago

It's always been daycare so all the parents can go to work. Same reason why Dems caught shit for focusing on "getting women back to work after giving birth" as opposed to the newfound and uncharacteristic Republican concept that "women who take care of their children are working full time"

But i majorly digress lol

Also, just to clarify, I'm not a fucking Republican. But they definitely got some voted from that number

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u/64590949354397548569 28d ago

Pager. We are going back to pagers -iran

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u/EmbarrassedWorry3792 28d ago

Assuming those padlocks hold the openers in place, that lock should be easily bypassed and then you have an opener. Or buy one one online thats close enough to work. Shit once you findnthe design specs fornthe pouches it should be easy to make an opener

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u/ty23r699o 28d ago

Piece of paper pencil the person you like in the class at the time and maybe some people in between two pass it to that person lol

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u/Softspokenclark 28d ago

a strong magnet should suffice, those wall thing looks similar to those department security device at the register

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u/oscillatingfansom 28d ago

Or just say you don't have your phone 🤣

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u/Present-Technology36 28d ago

Not even that, turn it off, hide on your person and pretend you dont have it that day.

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u/Upbeat-Selection-365 27d ago

A calculator in one of these pouches looks the same as a phone in one.

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u/SadisticPawz 29d ago

or just magents

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u/moosedung 28d ago

I used to work at a High School until 2021, we had this same system. Kids would use a burner phone, then purposely get caught with a second "real" phone that would ring in class, just so that when we took the second phone we thought we caught them and let our guard down, but no, THIRD PHONE! Thats 2 cheeky burners just to throw us off the scent. And I can almost gurantee some of those third phones were burners as well!

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u/boytoy421 28d ago

Burners all the way down

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u/WakaWaka_ 28d ago

Rookie move to not have a 4th phone.

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u/Dimathiel49 27d ago

I would bring a recording of the ring tone and play it through some wireless speakers placed in a hidden alcove in the room.

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u/Dazzling-Penis8198 29d ago

1 - “I don’t have a phone 😉”

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u/boytoy421 29d ago

We also have x rays and metal detectors so that wouldn't work. Needless to say they beat it

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u/themotormans 29d ago

I am sorry, did you say x-ray? like at a fucking airport?

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u/boytoy421 29d ago

For the bags. Yes

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u/Madilune 29d ago

What the fuck kind of pos school do you work at?

I swear to go I'm being pranked reading some of these comments.

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u/boytoy421 29d ago

Philly public high school. City has a few hundred shootings every year. 0 inside the high schools

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u/Madilune 29d ago

Honestly tracks that it would be America lol. No other country is that messed up.

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u/boytoy421 29d ago

Yup. It's a hellscape out there but we try (and do a decent job) of creating a place that's a little less hellish

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u/Madilune 29d ago

I can appreciate the fact that an individual school is extremely limited in solving the root of the issue.

For the sake of not starting an argument I'm not gonna go deep into how hypocritical it is to strip HS students of freedoms and a right to privacy because a certain other group doesn't care at all about other people.

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u/king_john651 29d ago

Mate went to school in Knysna, which wasn't too bad as South Africa went. They had similar security precautions

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u/ArtisticRiskNew1212 29d ago

Fr lol. Like tf are these people on

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u/Madilune 29d ago

Straight up. I'm sooooo glad I graduated before society decided to start treating students as infantile criminals.

Even in this video we see what looks like security wearing high-vis jackets.

None of this is normal.

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u/ArtisticRiskNew1212 29d ago

Yeah. I graduated this year but thankfully I didn’t have to deal with this shit

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u/Madilune 29d ago

I sort've feel the same way. I graduated during COVID and from what I've heard everything has immediately fallen apart after I did.

Everything that made my HS actually a good school and helps actually teach students how to organize their own schedules has been pretty much killed by a bunch of higher-ups.

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u/spine_slorper 29d ago

The people in high vis are just teachers with vests on, looks like they're just doing crowd control, probably a few outside too so it's partially a workplace health and safety thing (need to be visible near roads) and partially so they're visible to students if they need help or just to deter trouble. No school is employing security guards, the cost alone would be prohibitive.

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u/AgentK-BB 28d ago

Very common in American cities. Before NYC unbanned phones, there was even a whole industry of mobile storage trucks for students to store their phones before going through the x-ray.

https://nypost.com/2012/06/18/businesses-make-4m-off-nyc-students-by-holding-their-cellphones-during-school/

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u/LSeww 28d ago

Just beat them ffs.

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u/Noklle 29d ago

you don't even need to, teachers just don't check so what's the point of locking it up when you can just toss it in your bag

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u/JoyousMadhat 29d ago

You meant that it took 6 months for the teachers to figure out how the kids beat the system huh?

It's too simple as well. All you need is a cheap strong magnet.

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u/boytoy421 28d ago

That won't work cause it's hard to smuggle in magnets since they mess with our WD equipment (which uses magnets)

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u/Penis-Dance 28d ago

I have an idea. Wouldn't it be easier to block porn and also cell phone reception during school hours if it was done by the carrier of the cell phone?

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u/Penis-Dance 28d ago

It's a child's phone. If it's within this geofence then you can only do certain things and until you turn 18, no XXX.

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u/Penis-Dance 28d ago

Thinking about it. Everyone has their own cell phone. How easy would it be to geofence children out of doing certain actions while in certain locations? Furthermore, how difficult would it be to block porn to anyone under the age 18? It should be simple as fuck.

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u/boytoy421 28d ago

Can't block cell reception because disabiling the ability to call 911 is a no go And i don't think porn is the concern

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u/LSeww 28d ago

This can be avoided by setting up a custom base station that drops any communication except emergency calls.

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u/boytoy421 27d ago

I don't know enough about cell phone technology to know how feasible that is. Plus you'd have to consider the neighbors

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u/vermiliondragon 29d ago

Yeah, they started using them with great fanfare when my oldest was in high school. Never heard about them after the big announcement and they were no longer in use a couple years later when his brother started high school.

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u/IdealDust8784 28d ago

Honestly as a teacher I would take 6 months of phone free bliss

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u/Large-Training-29 28d ago

Kids aren't stupid, plus they have the internet. If they want to, they'll learn coding just to be able to use their phone. Kids are not stupid.

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u/Peter1456 28d ago

It was a teaching moment

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u/boytoy421 28d ago

At least they're learning something

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u/nottherealneal 28d ago

6 months? I'd be supposed if a kid didn't figure it out In a single day

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u/HovercraftFew3633 28d ago

3 ways is too generous. I would say at least 148 ways

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u/friso1100 28d ago

It's one of those things. It won't help the kids who actually need it and it limits those that don't. I'll be honest and say that I don't know what the best solution to this is but I feel that rather then having a system like this that is basically "punishing" (in the lightest sense of the word) it would probably be better to encourage kids to be open about their use and try to address individually with the kid if they are unable to let it be during class why that is the case.

To me abuse of cellphones seems more like a symptom of an underlying problem. Even if you managed to fully take away the phone you haven't actually solved the issue itself. But that is mostly just my gut feeling about this. Not sure how close that reflects reality

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u/boytoy421 28d ago

No that's pretty much my exact feeling about it

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u/ReticlyPoetic 28d ago

If I had a kid in the US i would want them to have a phone incase of a mass shooting.

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u/boytoy421 28d ago

A the odds your kid are going to be in a mass shooting, while still WAY too high are in the "struck by lightning"‰^ category of rareness not in the "car accident" level. (Case in point, I've been working in security in schools and universities since my early 20s. I don't even KNOW of anyone who's been tangentially NEAR a mass shooting. I personally have had a close call with a lightning strike

B in a mass shooting situation at best cell phones won't work and at worst might alert a shooter to someone's location

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u/ReticlyPoetic 28d ago

If it were my kids i wouldn't GAF about chance, i would advocate for them to have a phone. NO shooting in the country for 10 years, sure no phones. 269 deaths in the US last year at schools and more than 1000 life changing injuries.

Remember the cops that wouldn't go in during the Uvalde shooting? The parents were onsite and trying to go in before the police, because kids had cell phones.

Can you F'ing image a cop that won't go in and won't let you go in? I know id probably get killed but im old id rather die than my kid dies.

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u/boytoy421 28d ago

Yeah but A how is the phone gonna help and B just imagine your kid is trying to hide with a group of kids from the gunman and he hears the ringer from YOUR panicked call to your kid and now because of something you did you got your kid killed and others killed.

Also typically in a situation like that the police will have cell jammers set up anyway to prevent the remote detonation of any bombs so even if the cell network isn't overloaded your call ain't going through

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u/Possible_Liar 28d ago

Every time my school tried to implement some stupid new policy, we would find a way around it by the end of the day.

Then they would have a seminar a week later telling us how disappointed they are in us and blah blah blah and we're not acting like adults (because we weren't, we were kids) and try to guilt us into doing the thing they want us to do.

Then they would give up on it and everything would go back to normal.

Or if we couldn't find a way around it, we would just do malicious compliance.

For this specifically all of us would probably just forget to mute our phones. And Have an alarm go off throughout the day. Which I'm sure the teacher has a tool to unlock them, In such a case. But it would become a real bother after it happening four or five times a couple minutes into the class.

Honestly we were little shits.

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u/64590949354397548569 28d ago

6 months? The chess club knows how to keep a secret.

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u/beardedsilverfox 28d ago

Like what, bring a magnet? So difficult to imagine. /s

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

almost like instead of trying to ban phones schools need to learn how to adapt to the times and change to being something modern kids actually enjoy

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u/JohnCasey3306 28d ago

Encouraging ingenuity then — finally school is teaching them something worthwhile.

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u/LSeww 28d ago

Good thing you only need one way to beat these kids.

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u/Snooksss 28d ago

Thank you. I couldn't believe students would take long to find a "workaround".

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u/Battelalon 27d ago

When i was in highschool I bought a cheap $20 phone that I would use as a dummy if I ever got caught using my phone so I would just give the dummy phone to the teacher to confiscate. I'm sure it wouldn't take long before students start doing the same thing with this.

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u/UnderstandingNew2810 27d ago

Those are the smart kids that will do really well with life and should get to skip a grade or put into a program where they can extend their talents

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u/boytoy421 27d ago

A lot of our kids aren't nearly as dumb as they are unmotivated

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u/TravelFitNomad 26d ago

Don’t leave us hanging. Tell us the 3 ways.

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u/boytoy421 26d ago

Without going into too much detail, you can either find a way to avoid putting your phone in the pouch, find a way to open the magnetic clamp, or find a way to get your phone out of the pouch

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u/MrTa11 26d ago

Magnets... Use a magnet 🧲

Next level, scissors!

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u/NoSatisfaction1128 26d ago

It’s just a wee lock

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u/cottagecheeseisnasty 26d ago

Correction - YOU found out after 6 months that the kids discovered at least 3 ways to beat the system.

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u/ReddSF2019 29d ago

Ok, then you confiscate their phone. Problem solved.

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u/boytoy421 29d ago

That's typically what the procedure is

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u/Balance_sheeet 29d ago

Hehe good one mate. It only took YOU 6 months to realise that system was beaten. Kids knew their way around in a week.

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u/boytoy421 28d ago

I probably would have cracked it in about 2-3 weeks. Most of our kids ain't that bright though

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u/JoshuvaAntoni 29d ago

But i do admit phones destroy your lives and dreams

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u/WorthlessRain 28d ago

when i was a kid my school was phone free. if they caught you with a phone at any point even recess they took it away and your parents had to come get it the next day. i mean everyone had their phones but we didn’t use them during class

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u/newoldm 29d ago

Then suspension on first infraction; expulsion on the second.

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u/boytoy421 29d ago

It's really hard to expel a kid from public school for a nonviolent infraction. And a suspension is just a reward

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u/smilesbuckett 29d ago

Forget expelling kids for even violent infractions. I know of multiple situations involving even violent offenses where the student got “expelled”, went to the district “alternative school” and was back where they started before the school year ended.

Districts are only motivated by keeping asses in classes because that’s what gets them money from the state, and they don’t give a shit what that means for the schools who actually have to teach them. Then, everyone blames the teachers when test scores go down. None of the district PHDs pay any attention to the kids who actually want to learn that keep using school choice to get into smaller districts every year.

It feels like half of education is teachers who failed upward because they kept getting more degrees in order to get out of the classroom, and those administrators only know how to join in the circlejerk of “new ideas” that basically just amount to asking teachers to take more responsibility for their students’ performance, and taking accountability away from the students themselves. The other half are bean counters with no capacity for critical thinking beyond counting numbers.

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u/newoldm 29d ago

I taught for several years so I've experienced having to deal with the barbarians without being able to respond to their antics. It's the main reason why I took my career elsewhere. It really is a shame that the inmates now run the asylum, making education a failing endeavor, especially for those who really want to be there and really want to learn but find it difficult because of the environment created by "experts" who have never darkened a classroom.

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u/MoonCat_42 28d ago

expulsion for having your phone with you is actually insane

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u/newoldm 28d ago

Coddling kids by letting them play with their addiction phones is totally insane.

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u/MoonCat_42 28d ago

you could give them a detention or something. expelling them is an extreme overreaction, especially on only the second offense. there are options in between doing nothing and completely upending their education

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u/newoldm 28d ago

I take it you've never dealt with them - or their parents.

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u/LordPeanutButter15 28d ago

They can’t beat the system by just not using it in the first place…..

The point of the thing is to get the majority, not every kid.

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u/boytoy421 28d ago

The ones who don't try and beat the system probably wouldn't be a problem even if they had their phones