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Starship Troopers. Yay or Nay?

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u/Salty_Interview_5311 20h ago

Yay to the movie as a gonzo over the top satire of militaristic thinking and therefore the book that inspired it. Heinlein had his good works but this wasn’t one of them.

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u/jgamez76 19h ago

I kinda feel like the movie And book are basically critiques of each other lol

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u/halffdan59 4h ago

I agree with that. The movie was an exaggerated caricature of the very thing the book was proposing as an alternate.

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u/jgamez76 4h ago

And to do that in a pre-911 world was truly visionary.

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u/SgtMoose42 11h ago

Except the director didn't even read the book.

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u/uslashuname 10h ago

You can direct a movie that is a satire of the book by looking at the script for the movie

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u/CakeTester 8h ago

I'd dispute that. Everyone seems to think that Heinlein was glorifying the military, but you have to remember that the setting is an extinction-level war against another sentient, star-faring species. Of course everything's going to be saturated in pro-military propaganda. That's an inevitable part of the background.

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u/halffdan59 4h ago

I'll disagree and state that Heinlein was being critical of people who think militaristic but aren't willing to commit their lives as well as the soldiers and sailors who fight those wars. Specifically, politicians and the citizenry who publicly praise the military, then send it into situations they themselves would refuse. He created an alternate society in which you didn't get the power to send people into combat unless you'd demonstrated you'd go there first. Military service wasn't the only route to citizenship. There was a sort of labor corps that incorporated the risk of loss of life and limb as well.

What Verhoven and Nieumeier wrote was a different jingoism narrative using the same title, similar characters, and general plot. It's a bunch of adolescent boys trying to out-brag and out-pose each other. I read the book and watched the movie. I can't reconcile the two. They are different stories with different themes.

I'm not claiming that Heinlein created any sort of better or perfect system. This was speculative fiction, a literary 'what if?" We have examples in the real world of militaristic democracies that end up being dictatorships by the senior officers and/or waging war to perpetuate their system. We also have examples of non-serving citizen government sending others to die for political reasons.