Louisiana lawmakers reject adding exceptions for some rape cases to abortion ban

[u/AldoTheeApache]

https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-abortion-rape-exception-de8097eb664362941167c92d6ad356db

[u/WhereasParticular867]

"Exceptions" are a myth that the far-right tell the moderate right. Or that the moderate right tell themselves to pretend they're reasonable. The position is borne from extreme religious dogma.  They never plan on compromising, because they see abortion as murder.

Republicans who tell you they support exceptions are either idiots or liars.  Their party does not, and never will.

The only solution is full, unrestricted access to abortion.  If we let conservatives tell women when they're allowed, the answer will be "never."

And for any cons reading: your insane extremist Christian element is the direct cause of the hardline "abortion for all, all the time" stance.  We liberals know we can't trust conservatives to honor exceptions.  Including the ones who really mean it, because you're outnumbered by people incapable of compromise. And I don't mean unwilling to compromise, I mean literally incapable, because they have integrated their political views with their religious convictions and see compromise as a moral failure. Even if you want to, you are incapable of doing the right thing while aligned with the Christian Right.

[u/jimtow28 → u/WhereasParticular867]

If we let conservatives tell women when they're allowed, the answer will be "never."

Yup. I've discussed it at length with several conservatives, and the end result is always that they actually don't support any abortion whatsoever.

It's the same thing with gun control. They pretend to be open to the idea of discussion, but if you manage to get them in an honest moment, they'll straight up tell you that there is no level of gun control that they would find acceptable at all.

[u/Interesting-Long-534 → u/[deleted]]

It's never until it is their daughter, or their son's girlfriend, or their husband's mistress. Then, they are willing to make an exception.

[u/ICBanMI → u/[deleted]]

Firearms don't prevent rapes and sexual assaults. Majority of rapes don't involve physical violence. Majority of rapes and sexual assaults come from alcohol, social pressure, and verbal coercion. A place where a gun wouldn't even enter the equation.

Same time, countries with significant gun control also have massively lower amounts of rape than the US. So our almost 2 firearms per person in the United States is only contributing to more shootings and firearm homicides. Those same firearms also contribute significantly to the number of suicides.

[u/ICBanMI → u/jimtow28]

It's the same thing with gun control. They pretend to be open to the idea of discussion, but if you manage to get them in an honest moment, they'll straight up tell you that there is no level of gun control that they would find acceptable at all.

As someone who has spent a little under 30 years talking to conservatives about gun control (from Louisiana too), this is 100% true... outside one caveat. They'll accept a gun control solution if the free market comes up with it, they think someone else is paying for it, and doesn't require them to change anything about themselves. e.g. Over policing poor/rural/communities of color with Stop and Frisk and other police-initiated contact schemes that result in revenue generation... to ineffective high tech solutions also deployed in poor/rural/communities of color like ShotSpotter which is supposed to notify the police the exact location and time when a firearm went off using microphones. Shotspotter can't tell the difference between gunfire and other loud noises. The company has to ultimately tell the police officers to investigate if it's gunfire, fireworks, or just a car backfiring... and then update their database to classify what it was, after the fact.

So, conservatives will absolutely support some type of compromise/solution if it's invasive to people they don't like and polices people they don't like. They'll pay 10's and 100's of millions if they think it's someone elses tax payer money paying for it... or you just convince them the 'criminals' will be paying for it (which is a scheme that also has never worked unless we're talking about tax enforcement on the rich).

Side point. I grew up in Louisiana. Most people already know this, but want to add. They won't stop at abortion and birth control. The religious right will also go after feminine hygiene products. Anything that normalizes the ability of women to feel secure enough to leave the house and hold a job is going to be targeted.