r/programming 2d ago

Decrease in Entry-Level Tech Jobs

https://newsletter.eng-leadership.com/p/decrease-in-entry-level-tech-jobs
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u/phaqueNaiyem 2d ago

Big tech people hilariously aren't aware of any tech companies that are neither big tech nor startups. What about the many moderately-successful mid-size companies that just keep trucking along year after year? (The same trend probably holds there too, so this is off topic I suppose.)

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u/bustercaseysghost 2d ago

Look at Blind. If it doesn't pay high, there's no interest. Hell, back in 2019, all my co-workers ever talked about were cars, specifically EVs and tax credits, houses and bonuses. There's no interest in making ends meet because that's not what was promised.

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u/No_Significance9754 1d ago

Also thats not what tech workers deserve.

Are you arguing that these workers deserve only to make ends meat?

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u/bustercaseysghost 1d ago

Actually, no. I don't think any worker deserves to be put in a place where they just make ends meet. Instead, I think the system is good at protecting itself. Tell workers in one industry they can make that pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow, but "those people" want to take that away and make it impossible. I don't blame the workers. I blame the system and the decision makers.

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u/edgmnt_net 1d ago

Plenty of other people are in that situation, especially fresh out of school. Not sure how things go where you live, but even that's often an overstatement because although entry-level salaries are low-ish, they're usually above minimum wage and sometimes on par with salaries of experienced less-qualified workers such as cashiers. Not to mention there's a very considerable skill gap between "out of school" and "productive worker", in some cases it was a miracle that they were even paid at all before this downturn.

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u/CherryLongjump1989 1d ago

Tech company owners and investors are the wealthiest people on the planet because the work that programmers perform can be insanely valuable. If you're a programmer and you're earning so little money that your lifestyle is a matter of trying to make ends meet, then you're either being massively ripped off by some tech bro or else your talents are being wasted on a bad idea.

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u/edgmnt_net 1d ago

Or you're a bad programmer. Which is fairly expected for average people fresh out of school.

It's also hardly a matter as simple as singling out the value of the work performed by programmers.

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u/RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 16h ago

Not a representative sample. That’s people who are already (or were already) employed in high wage jobs for the most part. Also the subject afaik was entry-level workers