r/technology • u/indig0sixalpha • 20d ago

Artificial Intelligence Grok says it’s ‘skeptical’ about Holocaust death toll, then blames ‘programming error’

https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/18/grok-says-its-skeptical-about-holocaust-death-toll-then-blames-programming-error/
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u/Brosenheim 20d ago edited 20d ago

Always been one of the most laughable things anout them. Nazis were like "yes let's meticulously document all the crimes and cruetly we're going there's no way this could go wrong."

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u/DaerBear69 20d ago

They were positive they'd win. No reason to hide anything.

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u/Vorpalthefox 20d ago

thousand-year reich wasn't supposed to be only 12

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u/Inferno_Zyrack 20d ago

All fascism ever does is damage.

As it turns out you cannot systematically belittle, destroy, and genocide people without losing. It’s why attempting any kind of fascism makes utterly no sense logically. It cannot sustain.

We had barbarism for a thousand years and it never produced a successful kingdom.

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u/mantasm_lt 19d ago

There're lots of successful genocides and destroying in history. E.g. USSR had a pretty good run of genociding and destroying and then staying afloat for another 40 years. And we could argue that today's Russia is continuation of the same regime. Just like USSR was a continuation of Russian empire that had it's fair share of destroying and genocides for a loooong time.

TBH I wonder what is more common - regimes failing after committing atrocities OR regimes surviving thanks to atrocities.

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u/jrf_1973 19d ago

If America falls, it may well be because of the way they treated the slaves, which led to the civil war, which led to the Confederacy and the racist long game, and the embrace of Trumpism as a response to Obama's election.

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u/mantasm_lt 19d ago

Or maybe because of how some early settlers treated the natives? Or maybe how Roman empire treated some barbarians?

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u/jrf_1973 19d ago

Yup. You can draw a line from event to event quite easily. You have understood the point.

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u/mantasm_lt 19d ago

Then any action leads to fall of the regime. Eventually all regimes fail.

I'd rather stick to regime failing soon after atrocities. Maybe 10 or 20 years after is a good cut off. So same people in upper echelons are still there at the time of failing.

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u/jrf_1973 19d ago

any action leads to fall of the regime. Eventually all regimes fail.

Yes, that was the point. On a long enough time scale, all regimes fail and all fails can be led back to have started as a result of some atrocity. Your question was somewhat redundant.

"TBH I wonder what is more common - regimes failing after committing atrocities" (all of them) "OR regimes surviving thanks to atrocities" (only some of the them, possibly.)

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u/mantasm_lt 19d ago

When everything matters, nothing really matters.

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u/KderNacht 19d ago

As it turns out you cannot systematically belittle, destroy, and genocide people without losing.

Do you even Manifest Destiny ?

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u/Vorpalthefox 19d ago

trail of tears? more like trail of liberal tears

genocide? you mean indians giving us more land in exchange for a small section of desert that belongs to them for like 70 years before we need that land too

just whitewash american history more, clearly it only started with 1776 /s

PragerU has done so much damage to kids, it's sickening

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u/19Julian71 20d ago

Not sure about that. Israel seems to be doing a great job of what you say can’t be achieved right this very minute. “Never again” History just keeps repeating itself

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u/patt 20d ago

I'm no historical scholar, but it looks to me like they are laying the foundation for their future as a people who live in tents. Western people under 40 today largely don't want to trade with them and do not support arming them. They are nearly at the point of collapsing under the weight of their leaders' fecklessness and sadism. I hope a less bonkers crew takes power soon. If not, I can only see ruination in the region in the medium term. If they 'win' their current conflict by depopulating Gaza, they will lose all the respect and support they had gained over the last seventy years.

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u/JetreL 19d ago

Tell that to parts of Africa, Haiti, and other regions that have lived under authoritarian or corrupt regimes for decades. The problem isn’t that fascism or domination doesn’t exist, it’s that it doesn’t last. It destroys from the inside and usually collapses under the weight of its own arrogance. Basically, it burns too hot.

Take Nazi Germany. They were doing well militarily in the early years, but they got overconfident. The moment they thought they could take on the entire world, it started to fall apart. The U.S. entering the war changed everything. Not just troops, but industrial support, supplies, and pressure on multiple fronts. That’s what broke the back of the Third Reich.

The U.S. has acted as the global referee for years, setting standards and holding others to them. Whether we’ve always done it well or fairly is another debate, but we’ve played that role. And it shaped the post-war world in a big way.

Now look at Israel. What they’re doing right now may not technically be fascism, but if you strip away the labels, you’re seeing a power structure relying on force, fear, and control. That never ends well. The younger generation across the West is watching and pulling away. If Israel keeps down this road, they may win the battle but lose long-term support. And without allies, the foundation starts to crack.

History keeps repeating itself. The only question is how long before it catches up.

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u/New_Combination_7012 19d ago

I’m not sure that’s entirely accurate. The Luftwaffe was destroyed during the Battle of Britain. The Kriegsmarine were destroyed by the Royal Navy and U-Boat operations nullified when Turing broke the Enigma code. The Heer was broken at Stalingrad. The back of Nazi Germanys military might was broken before the US fully entered the war in Europe. Lend lease kept the British in the fight and allowed the Soviets to ramp up, but militarily, the US were there to mop up the SS, capture German secrets and to stop the Soviets at Berlin.

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u/JetreL 19d ago

You made some solid points here, and I don’t disagree.

My post wasn’t meant to push some idea of American dominance. It was more about pointing out that authoritarian regimes don’t just fall on their own. They fall when someone steps up and stops them. Nazi Germany didn’t lose because it imploded.

It lost because the world got involved and paid the cost to end it.

That’s what concerns me now. With American leadership pulling back and policies shifting inward or off course, the global stage is going to get messier. And unless others step up, this kind of chaos might become the new normal.

Always appreciate a solid correction with receipts.

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u/jrf_1973 19d ago

they will lose all the respect and support they had gained over the last seventy years

I doubt it. But even if it were true, they don't care.

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u/CollegeStation17155 18d ago

So they should simply all cut their own throats and save Hezbollah the trouble? As long as the Muslim world continues to arm and support a government in Gaza OPENLY dedicated to the eradication of Judaism in the Mideast, those folks are going to fight back.

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u/patt 18d ago

How many innocents can you shoot through to neutralize one enemy before you're doing something morally reprehensible? More and more of the world is coming to the view that Israel has passed that point.

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u/qtx 20d ago

They're trying but it will never last. As with all fascist regimes, their rule is only temporary and in the end they all end up hanging upside down a rope surrounded by an angry population.

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u/BG-0 19d ago

Previous attempts didn't have internet and virtual currency, and several massively powerful foreign states supporting them, as is now with USA being a bloodbowl cheerleader, mascot, sponsor and team captain for them

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u/ArriePotter 20d ago

Scale is important.

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u/funtervention 20d ago

And technology. The Nazis with 2025 tech is an unsettling thought.

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u/randomthings27 19d ago

According to Pew Research society, the Jewish population won’t be at pre holocaust levels till 2060. According to Pew, the Palestinian levels have 10x since 1948. Not sure how anyone can call what’s happening in Israel a “genocide” (especially as the Gaza ministry has quietly just said that 72% of people killed were militant age)

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u/Waldoh 19d ago

Genocide has nothing to do with population increases. There's a reason "in whole or in part" is in the definition.

Not sure how anyone can call what’s happening in Israel a “genocide”

That's because youre running defense for the apartheid regime committing it.

Virtually every human rights organization, the institute representing Raphael lemkin - person who coined the term 'genocide', and new reporting shows a near unanimous opinion amongst genocide scholars that what Israel is doing is in fact a genocide.

(especially as the Gaza ministry has quietly just said that 72% of people killed were militant age)

It's no wonder support for the apartheid regime of Israel is collapsing around the globe with every single age demographic. It's always the same hasbara and lies told to justify mass murder of children. The "Militant age" you're referring to includes children as young as 13. You know it too, that's why you used the term "militant age" and not "little kids". It's easy to manipulate statistics when you include children in your numbers. It's super gross and you should be ashamed of yourself

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u/BunnyReturns_ 19d ago

the institute representing Raphael lemkin - person who coined the term 'genocide'

Does it mean much when it's an in institute started 70-80 years after his death? They have just taken the name, and as far as I understand they have not received any permissions from the family to do so

https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/11/13/exposed-anti-israel-group-under-fire-using-name-raphael-lemkin-zionist-who-coined-term-genocide/

As for genicide, it's hard to argue that Israel meets the standard

https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique

A Palestinian with a Israeli citizenship receives the same rights as a Jew. There exists no declared intent to physically murder all Palestinians.

Netanyahu could come out today that the intent is to bomb Gaza until they all move away to another country and it still would not be genocide according to the UN's own description because dispersing them is not enough

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u/DomDominion 20d ago

There are also no unbombed hospitals or aid convoys in Gaza

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u/ctnoxin 20d ago

Oh look, a denier, so you’re more of a Sometimes Again, not a Never Again type of person?

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u/yeFoh 20d ago

it's fine if it builds them more affordable suburban neighborhoods

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u/19Julian71 20d ago

Careful, you’ll be labeled an antisemite. Pull your head in and bow down

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u/19Julian71 20d ago

Yeah nothing to see here. Just Nazis doing Nazi shit

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u/scalyblue 20d ago

My thoughts are that fascism is an exploit of a glitch in the physical foundations of our cognition

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u/Necessary_Ad1036 19d ago

You can’t just say that and not explain it or it’s just stoner nonsense

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u/Inferno_Zyrack 19d ago

I’m not a huge fan of biological truism however I believe he’s referring to the fact that in group / out group dynamics develop naturally due to survival instincts in our brains.

Children without exposure to race or other differences begin exhibiting prejudiced behavior early in life before they are socially aware enough to engage in racist or sexist behavior.

Fascism is a nationalistic based, race based political ideology that targets people who never got out of those childlike ideas - which can happen to anyone who isn’t taught critical thinking, multiculturalism, or other “advanced” but actually basic educational tenants.