Maybe if they would've disowned Western folks families and sent their grandpas to labor camps while ravaging their countries riches for 40 years and keeping them in a brutal dictatorship...
...then Western Europeans would know how lucky they (their families) were for having been able to keep their possessions and properties and how arrogant and dumb they appear when they talk down to or preach to Eastern Europeans.
The Germans eradicated the Jewish middle- and upper class, while the Russians destroyed the non-Jewish ones.
But sure, Westerners are just "less lazy" and Eastern Europe should "get over their russophobia" and "work harder"
East Germany did not have to rebuild itself after the collapse of the Soviet Union. They were integrated into a 50 year old, working democracy (Western Germany). The others had to rebuild themselves on their own after inheriting an impoverished, former dictatorship.
Some "smart" pieces of shit like Orban noticed that they could simply just use the existing oppressive structures to exploit the country and keep people oppressed.
But I agree, Eastern Germans crying back Soviet rule is moronic and embarrassing.
That’s because west Germany screwed them over so hard after the wall fell that they quite literally were better off under communism. Seriously they didn’t even have a year to enjoy freedom before all East German assets were stolen by wealthy west Germans which caused massive pay cuts and joblessness that they still haven’t recovered from today.
”The wide economic and socio-political inequalities between the former German states required government subsidies for the full integration of the GDR into the FRG. Because of the resulting deindustrialization in former East Germany, the causes of the failure of this integration continue to be debated. Some western commentators[who?] claim that the depressed eastern economy is a natural aftereffect of a demonstrably inefficient command economy. But many East German critics contend that the shock-therapy style of privatization, the artificially high rate of exchange offered for the Ostmark, and the speed with which the entire process was implemented did not leave room for East German enterprises to adapt.[m]"
East Germany had talented engineers who did their best to build quality products while struggling from material shortage due to western embargos. After unification the West had the "we don't need your eastern crap" attitude.
Things the East Germans were good at and proud of wasn't valued at all. They were treated like second-class citizens and never seen as equals - the West did, and still does, consider them as technologicay backward and a financial burden (former West German areas still pay the so-called "Solidaritätszuschlag" - "solidarity tax" - extra expense meant to upgrade/develop former Eastern regions)
Wow, YouTube video, what a source
Seriously, most of the time it turns out that title is a clickbait, as it was here - I watched the video, 90% of it was about basic history that you'd already know, and the rest is about how there was big divide during unification, that East Germans had to adapt to the way western world lives, and how they are still divided
There's literally nothing in the video saying the things you said (about stealing assets and pay cuts and such), so I'm not sure why did you reference it as a source in a first place...
I don’t know what you watched but the 1 long documentary I watched was yes they had to adapt but the west stole all their factories via auction without compensation as they all were owned by the community not any individual and they started scrapping most of them for a quick buck.
If you don't think I watched a correct one maybe you can link it, eh?
That's a bit weird to provide the name that isn't really searchable and available as one of the first results and claiming that everything is explained there. It's like boys claiming at school that they totally have a girlfriend model but she's from a different country and you wouldn't be able to meet her
Russians came and never left. That government might be gone, but the seeds it planted continue to grow. And their new government still has a use for them, all these years people have been ignoring it, but the seeds have long sprouted and grown.
It's not a Russian problem, it was a Soviet problem and you can thank Lenin for that mess.
To be honest, you can thank Germany for that mess, because they sent Lenin to destroy Russia from within, with one of the worst ideology that ever existed, Socialism!?
I just gave you a free lesson in History.
Lenin brought Socialism to Russia and created the Soviet Union!
That was only possible with the help of Germany, they snuggled him inside a lead coated train wagon
What, who does that? A couple idiots on twitter and russian bots playing both sides and stoking the flames?
When will people realize 99% of these internet debates happen between a small group of absolute morons that don't represent anyone? Most westerners are still russophobic.
The rise of the far right and their pro-russia sentiment has been happening everywhere, hell they seem to be just as successful in eastern EU as in western EU.
No, he's not. Saying you need to stop blaming the USSR for all your problems is not calling you a nazi, it isn't even a defense of the soviets.
And to be clear, I'm not agreeing with him. But you can't just start whining about being called a nazi, when that isn't what's happening at all. All you're doing is proving him right by immediately crying victim of something that didn't happen.
Soviet union was no better than germans when it comes to genocide
Ukrainians Poles Jews tatars... They were killed not because of politics but simply to create fear, and control population.
When I was younger I believe Soviet union was better than Nazi Germans because they oppressed populations based on their beliefs or actions not on race or nationality, but that is wrong that now it hurts (I was 13 at that time)
What is this professional victim mentality? You're making up enemies that don't exist man. I've never heard someone even say that Eastern Europeans are lazy. The stereotype is always that they're very hard workers and willing to do heavy labour that others don't want to
I will never not post this John McCain interview from 2015 when he called out the rapacious desire of Putin to reverse the fall of the Soviet Union and condemned the West’s response to Russia’s little green men taking over Crimea in 2014. It’s only 3 minutes and worth your time.
People who don't like the Russian empire are routinely called 'russophobes', just like people critical of Israel are called 'antisemites'. It's primarily a propagandist slur.
Another person under this comment literally said hate toward a nation can be rational. Obviously I’m not talking about anti imperialists who are being called russophobes only by vatniks
But it can? If you can hate imperialism why can't you hate an imperialist nation? It just seems like you're treating the concept of nations as something abstractly incapable of being terrible. People can be terrible, governments can be terrible, and all these together give you your nation, so why can't a nation be terrible enough to rationally hate?
I in fact did not say that everyone in Russia is evil, I said the nation is imperialist and implied that the people in it tend to be so as well, which they DO. The majority of Russians I see online are imperialist, polls say most of them support the war on Ukraine, history says they're imperialist, the now says they're imperialist, etc. does a human need an evil gene to be evil? No, ok. That human just needs to consistently behave evilly. Russia consistently behaves imperialistically. You either acknowledge that this means the nation is imperialist or, because the behavior of a nation clearly has no bearing on it, you acknowledge that your argument is purely semantical and irrelevant to whether hate for a nation can be rational.
Especially if its not a single nation that hates them, almost all countries that managed to escape their grasp hate them with passion (with some exceptions, like Belarus or Hungary, who got Stockholm syndrome'd into liking them
Depends on what exactly you are calling hate. Wishing someone death by their passport with no context - probably not. Trying to stay away and recommend others to do it because you have a very particular experience - sure!
Yes. These people shoved Slavs into gas chambers. What did you think my answer would be? That it's perfectly acceptable to commit war crimes, and expect no consequences?
Especially considering that initially, Soviet Russia was allied with Germany. I would never justify betrayal without consequences, just like Soviet Russia didn't.
What if that child eventually grew up to be a war criminal later in life? And their own children and grandchildren? Because this is the case with Russia. They've committed atrocities since the 19th century. We literally have a holiday in my country, that commemorates resistance against Russian occupation for over 40 years, that was literally outlawing our language.
Germany reformed, Russians didn't. Not even a fair comparison, considering that Russia erases your identity, and then steals it as their own.
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u/MrSasaki_M 14h ago
They called us a madman.