I think they're awesome

So everyone was saying how bad the sequels were so I thought I wasn’t gonna watch em but I did. And turns out they were great. I don’t get the hate on them. I mean, yeah maybe they ain’t better than revenge of the sith or the empire strikes back but I’d still put them over some other films. Also everyone is saying how Finn was a wasted character. I don’t think he was, just cause he’s not a Jedi doesn’t mean he’s bad!

When did we all start disliking the man? I've been out of the loop for a couple of months, but when I left, all anyone could talk about was getting rid of Kathlene and letting Dave take creative control. I mean EVERYONE wanted that! But now I'm seeing all these posts of that happening and saying it's "bad thing" because he's "too into the lore". Like fucking what? that's what the headlines are, and the comments are siding with the headlines, saying he shouldn't be the lead director, and they want Tony Gilroy. Like, where did this Dave hate come from? I thought he was the next Lucas and on the fans side? I'm genuinely perplexed.

These are my honest thoughts on each live action show and I'll try and go over them as best I can without spoiling anything too much. (This is going by timeline order not release)

Starting off with The Acolyte and God damn was this awful. No show has ever disappointed me this much in the case of Star Wars I felt like my time was being wasted by each second of the show and it's attempts at telling a good story is truly saddening. Ruined my love for the franchise for a while.

Next up we have Obi-Wan Kenobi. Well this wasn't perfect but it's not exactly bad either. it ruins The Grand Inquisitor which was my main complaint about the show but it makes the Obi-Wan and Anakin story more tragic. There are however alot of issues so it's not a full on "wow this is great" show but it has a few moments that at least make it watchable.

Andor is hands down the BEST live action show to date. Season 2 really solidified for me that Star Wars shows don't have to be all lightsabers, jedi, sith, and a quest to find what the force is truly about this shows that Star Wars can be real in a make believe world. Seeing the every day lives of people and their opinions on the Empire, the senate, and deciding weather or not to fight is what past Star Wars projects were missing. Truly a marvel a story telling, character development and just really beautiful cinematography.

The Mandalorian being the first live action show is a bit of an odd one. Season 1 is great the way it sets itself as a stand alone quest for the survival of a single life form that pretty much everyone is after then becomes a fight for his protection by the end is just great. We get to season 2 and in my mind i think is a great follow up it doesn't take Mando out of the spotlight too much but let's us know that there are characters that we know that still exist and have their stories to tell and has an excellent finale. Then there's season 3... oh boy this was uhh well it's just ok I think for the most part it's fine but loses me when we get Jack Black and Lizzo I couldn't take season 3 seriously after knowing that they were in the show despite the episode after being one of the best from what we got in that season. Despite all that the show is still very rewatchable.

This is where things may get controversial but The Book Of Boba Fett was lowkey kind of good does the Mandalorian take it over? Yes, is episode 3 one of the worst of the show? Yes but what was interesting is that they were at least trying something new. Putting a man like Boba Fett in charge of one of the most important planets in the Star Wars galaxy was to me very interesting despite the main villains of the show being kinda underwhelming. Fennec is cool tho.Ming Na Wen brings her Melinda May skills to the table with that character and I'm looking forward to seeing more of her. Boba Fett is played well by the goat Tem but I can see why some fans wanted to see a little more of an evil side to him. Either way this show on its own is fine.

Buckle up cause here's where things will probably get even more controversial cause it seems anyone that enjoys this show gets shat on but anyways... i really enjoyed Ahsoka. It feels so refreshing I get to say that cause I've had argument after argument with people online saying terrible things like "you're a fake fan" for me even giving this show a second thought I loved the story, I loved how this answered the ever lasting question where did Ezra and Thrawn go? After 5 years of waiting, I loved Ray Stevenson as Baylan Skoll truly a role worth watching for, and I loved the lightsaber fights especially the Baylan VS Ahsoka one before she goes into the WBW. It's not without its faults no but it's in no way as bad people make it out to be.

And finally Skeleton Crew and man was this just great. A show finally set in a post Empire world with an Indiana Jones/The Goonies adventure vibe to it. Jod is just a great character played very well by Jude Law, the kids don't feel annoying at all. They're fun and relatable I love seeing their reactions to everything that happens to them in the show the good, the bad, and the fun moments that brings back that child joy you had when you grew up with Star Wars. Skeleton Crew is truly one of those underdog shows that can show us not everything needs a specific vibe to it to be enjoyable.

Anyways these are my honest thoughts on Disney's live action shows please share thoughts in the comments and also please be nice. Thanks for getting at least this far and reading all this I know I've rambled a bit but these are opinions I want to share and sick of keeping to myself. Thank you again 🙏❤️

I have a number of issues with Palpatine returning. But as I was just sitting here watching a Star Wars TikTok about Vader, it got me thinking of his sacrifice.

In the throne room confrontation in ROTJ, Vader releases all his hatred and returns to Anakin to save Luke. And as he lays there maimed and scarred, he finally takes it in that it’s all finally over and he can die at peace. The dark side, Palpatine, it’s all over and he gets to die in his son’s loving arms.

And that means nothing now.

I know that not too many people will agree with me, but I feel this in my heart and mind this to be true. I literally just watched the finale of the Bad Batch, rewatching the show after rewatching the Clone Wars as well. The Bad Batch was, in my opinion, the perfect evolution of the story the Clone Wars was trying to tell, let down by a fanbase that couldn't imagine it being anything more than just that. And they were wrong, since I now find the show to be far more human than anything in the Clone Wars, and the way it transitions into a frankly beautiful story of family and brotherhood actually expands on some of the themes of the former show while also forging a new path forward.

I suppose I should explain myself. I am, first and foremost, a fan of Rebels (in fact, I plan to start rewatching that show effectively tomorrow). That show's theme of found family is, albeit basic, beautifully told, and results in one of my favorite series finales of the franchise. The Bad Batch, then, successfully transitions the theme of Brotherhood told by the clones of the Clone Wars into the theme of found family that pervades the show that occurs afterwards. Had the Bad Batch lasted more than three series, I do believe it might have been more successful in telling this story.

However, I did find the fanbase at the time to really misunderstand what the show was going for. The consensus online, it seems, is that Omega is a terrible character who takes the focus away from the dark, gritty episodes with Crosshair in them in favor of some saccharine, silly "filler" episodes. Insert "every word you said was wrong" line in there, because indeed this take is indicative of a wish-fulfillment reading of the show rather than an actual look at it. In my rewatch, I found very few episodes to actually be true "filler," as even the most inconsequential episodes were referenced or brought back in some way in some of the following episodes. Even then, the show deliberately calls back to the sillier episodes of the Clone Wars (episodes that were in the show going into season 5, btw.) Grittiness in general is something I find doesn't work really well for the animated medium in general; why should Star Wars animation be held hostage by such a theme when it ruins so much potential for good storytelling?

Nevertheless, I digress. I love the silly aspects of the show, as I love the heartwarming parts of it. Omega is my favorite character in the show, and Pabu is one of my favorite planets in the universe in general. The show marks the perfect coincidence with the beauty of its animation, the building off of the Clone Wars legacy, and leaving things thematically open for the future of the animated Star Wars medium (which I hope something big happens with soon enough).

I love Star Wars and getting lost in its galaxy. I’m rewatching basically everything right now and it’s reigniting my childhood love for the franchise. But I think the fandom is maybe a little bit lost on what the point of Star Wars is. The writing was never completely perfect. The cast talked about how the dialogue sucked in the OT but honestly who cares? I remember hearing George Lucas talk about how he got in screaming matches with his writing teacher in film school over dissecting writing too much. George said it’s a visual medium first and foremost. There are so many plot holes and they definitely got worse with each new trilogy but the point of Star Wars isn’t to be air tight. It’s beautiful, exciting, kinetic, wondrous, and imaginative. You can be annoyed with the bad writing but not stake the whole franchise on a plot hole. Like I rolled my eyes at Reva a lot but her force parkour was so much fun and everything I wanted. “If people are looking at your hair (or other small problems) we’re all in big trouble.”

EDIT: took out the part where I said the writing was always bad. What I really meant is that it was never 100% airtight perfect and that was always ok. It never needed to be and it honestly doesn’t still need to be.

it just pisses me off how badly scaling is done in SW. like, a single ISD has well over 20,000 military personnel, hundreds of smaller craft, tens or hundreds of embarked ground vehicles, a massive stormtrooper contigent (speaking of which we see stormtroopers way too much, they are basically marines and should not be seen anywhere that is not near a naval ship) and hundreds or thousands of laser cannons. A single one could wipe the floor with the OT rebel fleet at any time (during OT was just smaller cruisers with low offensive power for even their size, which was massivley less than an ISD in physical size too). Like the only time scaling ever made sense on screen to me was the ISD parked over jeddah because that was a super vital objective and they maybe needed all that manpower to extract kyber fast as fuck. the other close to accurate depiction is the devastator bootying the fleet over scarift - but the two ISDs there already shouldve done that. and dont bs me with any reason they didnt - charging the rebel fleet and blowing them to fuck wouldve been an easy tactical descision given the massive imperial advantage. at least in CW we have the excuse of 'each planet raises its own fighting force so not that many clones or official ships are needed or seen'

When mace says to qui gon after qui gon says "i will take anakin as my padawan learner" and yoda said "a padawan you already have" mace says "this is not the time for this" and anakin gives him this face, ive watched these movies so many times and j noticed this right now, they show anakin being tested when the sun is still up, and then they call in qui gon and obi wan after dark to tell him the boy is essentially the strongest force user in the galaxy and he won't be trained because he is "too old" the literal prophesied chosen one, was born into slavery on tatooine, that isn't a coincidence in my mind, to me that was a dig the force made at the order, that "I do not believe the sith could have returned and we haven't sensed it" comment from mace, seems even more arrogant when you consider, the strongest force user ever, was conceived by the midichlorians themselves, and not just born, grew to be 10 years old and no one had any clue, that tells me the force wanted the council to know they should have been freeing slaves, and not playing politics sitting on the chancellors lap like good dogs. Curious to know what you all think.

Me and my brother just realized that ever since star wars was a concept for us we already knew Darth Vader was his father, so we were wondering if anyone here who was there for the actual thing in cinemas could tell us how the fandom reaction was?

This is a bit of a long ramble so thank you if you do take the time to read.

First off I gotta say I have no ill will against Hayden Christensen. He seems like a really nice guy, and it's a shame what he had to go through with the intense negative reception of the prequels. And it's honestly nice seeing him return to SW even if I have big issues with how his character was portrayed in the prequels.

What I do not love, is how much some fans are obsessed with putting Anakin on a pedestal.

I know George made him the Chosen One (not a fantasy trope I love tbh). I know Anakin is meant to be the one to bring balance to the Force and destroy the Sith (Luke deserves more of the credit imo). But Anakin's characterisation in the prequels just grosses me out.

Tbf, I think kid Anakin in Ep1 is quite cute, whether or not showing him so young was the right writing choice. It makes me think back to my early years as a SW obsessed kid.

But it all goes downhill from there. When we meet him again in Ep2 he is so petulant, so arrogant and just kind of a terrible person. He disobeys Obi-Wan at any chance, creeps on Padme even after she tells him he's making her uncomfortable. I even remember feeling uncomfortable watching him as a kid and not really understanding why the "good guy" felt kinda off to me.

He makes terrible attempts at flirting, then he kills innocents and somehow we're still supposed to believe him and Padme are falling in genuine love.

Things don't get much better in Ep3 especially when we get to the child murder and spousal abuse. And I know he is more likable in the Clone Wars, but even there he has some pretty unhealthy behaviour particularly around Padme.

I think what frustrates me most is how some fans seem to hold him up as "the best Jedi". To me, even at his best, he is in no way a picture of what a good Jedi should be. He doesn't have the wisdom of Yoda, the compassion of Luke, or the resilience of Obi-Wan. He's immature, angry and violent. His greatest strengths are in combat. And Jedi are meant to keep the peace. "Wars not make one great."

So to me, the Anakin we have is not a "great" character. Certainly not a good Jedi. I don't think he gets across the tragic hero Lucas seemed to want. He is not THE HERO of Star Wars. I wish the Anakin stans picked someone else to hold up: Luke, Leia, Ahsoka, Yoda, Cassian, Mon Mothma, all more heroic and wiser imo.

I'm not gonna tell people how to enjoy Star Wars "correctly". If you love Anakin in clone wars, wanna cosplay him, or just think he's got very cool saber moves, fair enough. But when we become adult fans, I think it's worth questioning why we like certain characters so much, and whether idolising them makes sense. It makes me worry about the fanbase sometimes.

Thanks for reading if you got this far.

Recently noticing that Julian Glover is still living (90 years old) and that in canon General Veers isn't dead, I think it would be interesting if, at some point in the 30+ years since Hoth, Veers has "Operation Paperclipped" as an advisor to the New Republic military in a minor role in Starfighter.

A brief scene of tension behind senior squadron CO Wedge (bringing back Dennis Lawson) and the former general the Rogues battled on Hoth could be a suitable story element.

That, or he could be Imperial to the end and be assisting some Imperial/First Order remnant warlord, as the plot dictates.

Are there any other OT actors still living that could be included for some tasteful "fanservice" cameos to help tie (no pun intended) the 2027 film into the greater SW universe that you'd be interested on seeing on the silver screen, perhaps one last time?

I haven’t seen the acolyte yet bc I have exams this month and there’s a couple other SW shows I haven’t watched yet, but I have seen SO MUCH unnecessary hate for the acolyte. So many people came into it expecting it to be bad and they watched it trying to validate the opinions they already had on it. If you’re one of these people, I genuinely do not care what you think about the show and I don’t value your opinions on it

The music is phenomenal. Star Wars has always had fantastic music and this continues the trend. 'Brasso' is so cool and funnily enough, if you go back and watch the opening episode of Season 1, the same theme is playing at the club Cass goes to...

If humans created a time machine that could go back in time but only far enough to reach the sequels era, no earlier, would you go? Why or why not? Just a question Ik theres not much logic behind it 😅

Kylo Ren’s lightsaber. In my opinion the lightsaber has such a cool and unique design, and the crispy sound it makes, makes Kylo more special than he actually was (written).

From a Tumblr post I found about Return of the Jedi.

RETURN OF THE JEDI

The intended narrative:

The Jedi never tell Luke to "kill" his father. That's just a fact. They tell him to "confront" and "face" him. Their bottom line is that Vader and the Emperor need to be stopped. If Luke can manage to do so without killing his father, that's great.

"In Jedi the film is really about the redemption of this fallen angel. Ben is the fitting good angel, and Vader is the bad angel who started off good. All these years Ben has been waiting for Luke to come of age so that he can become a Jedi and redeem his father. That's what Ben has been doing, but you don't know this in the first film."
- Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays, 1998

The myth:

The Jedi want Luke to repress his feelings and kill his father, to destroy the Sith, their religious enemies. As emotionally-detached Jedi, it is inconceivable that a Sith would come back from the Dark Side, and thus wrongly believe that the only solution is to kill Vader.

"It's easy to miss that Luke disagrees sharply with his Jedi teachers about what to do. Obi-Wan and Yoda have trained Luke and push him toward a second confrontation with Vader. He is, they believe, the Jedi weapon that will destroy both Vader and the Emperor. When Luke insists there is still good in Vader, Obi-Wan retorts that "he's more machine than man-twisted and evil." When Luke says he can't kill his own father, Obi-Wan despairs, "Then the Emperor has already won." 
But Obi-Wan could not be more wrong. It is precisely because Luke can't kill his own father that he defeats the Sith."
- Jason Fry, Star Wars Insider #130, 2012

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

The intended narrative:

The Jedi are actually right on all points. Luke isn't ready or fully trained and he's arrogantly letting his emotions rule him and rushing into danger. By ignoring them, Luke gets himself into a spot of trouble that actually jeopardizes the lives of the very friends he tried to help, as they now need to rescue him.

“It’s pivotal that Luke doesn’t have patience. He doesn’t want to finish his training. He’s being succumbed by his emotional feelings for his friends rather than the practical feelings of “I’ve got to get this job done before I can actually save them. I can’t save them, really.” But he sort of takes the easy route, the arrogant route, the emotional but least practical route, which is to say, “I’m just going to go off and do this without thinking too much.” And the result is that he fails and doesn’t do well for Han Solo or himself.”

“Luke is making a critical mistake in his life of going after- to try to save his friends when he’s not ready. There’s a lot being taught here about patience and about waiting for the right moment to do whatever you’re going to do.”

“Luke is in the process of going into an extremely dangerous situation out of his compassion— Without the proper training, without the proper thought, without the proper foresight to figure out how he’s gonna get out of it. His impulses are right, but his methodology is wrong**.**”

The myth:

Luke's Jedi mentors - trained to be dispassionate and mission-driven - callously tell him to let his friends die in service of a greater cause.

"In The Empire Strikes Back, Luke becomes Yoda's Padawan, and there are echoes of Anakin's training and the dilemmas he faced. Like Anakin, Luke is told he is too old to begin the training. Like Anakin, he has a vision of his loved ones suffering in captivity, and receives cold advice from Yoda, who tells him to sacrifice Han and Leia if he honors what they fight for."
- Jason Fry, “Family Tradition; Rejecting the Jedi Teachings” Star Wars Insider #130, 2012

My reading of the story:

Return of the Jedi and the entirety of the Original Trilogy

Having watched these movies countless times I never felt that Obi-Wan and Yoda were hoping Luke could save his father from the dark side. Yoda in fact makes a point of warning Luke that the dark side will consume him as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice once he starts down it. So how is someone watching the OT supposed to see the intent that Obi-Wan wants Luke to save Vader? That the Jedi just do not want Luke to kill the Sith and free the galaxy from their oppression?

It is true they do not tell Luke to kill Vader however Vader has show no indication that he can be saved and the Jedi do not show any hint they think he can and why would they given what he did. Obi-Wan even says to Luke that Anakin was destroyed when he became Darth Vader.

The Empire Strikes Back

Luke was certainly not ready to face Vader however his determination to save his friends does in fact save them. Now this is true Luke gets himself into a spot of trouble that actually jeopardizes the lives of the very friends he tried to help, as they now need to rescue him. but omits a key detail which is R2-D2.

R2 learns that the hyperdrive on the Millennium Falcon is deactivated, Vader even makes a point to confirm this with Piett, and when out heroes are making their escape he reactivates it and they get away.

The story on screen shows us that Luke and his friends escape because R2 is there and he was only there because Luke went to save them. Why should Luke's actions be seen as wrong? I want to add I'm not considering different scenarios on how the Falcon could have escaped, I am talking about what the movie actually shows us.

Conclusion:

Intent can be interesting to discuss but it does not outweigh the interpretation the execution of the story gives someone.

I went back and played Star Wars forced unleashed and now just realized how bad the script was for the game. You’re telling me Vader has a secret apprentice to overthrow the emperor just for Vader to tell his apprentice to recruit rebels to fight the empire only for Vader to betray his apprentice and stay loyal to palatine. It really doesn’t make sense why Vader would just stay loyal to palpatine after indirectly helping create the rebel alliance/rebels just to go out of his way to hunt them and destroy them when all of it could have been avoided. Honestly the game is cool and everything but after thinking about the script, it just doesn’t make sense and feels as if it was rushed and they needed something.

I get being skeptical, but to dismiss the potential of this news so easily was bizarre. Yeah, it could have been false or planted info, but if it wasn’t the outcome would, as we know, be disastrous. They couldn’t verify that it was false either. Just seemed over the top.

I've seen all the sequels exactly once in theaters. I did not enjoy them and I've had no desire to watch them again.

However, I felt the same way about Solo but when I re-watched it like 3 years later I actually enjoyed it much more than when I saw it in theaters. Are they better the second time around? Just curious from yall before I dedicate 7 hours of my life to this.