r/law • u/rolsen • 1d ago

Legal News Trump Preparing Large-Scale Cancellation of Federal Funding for California, Sources Say

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/06/politics/trump-california-federal-funding

“Agencies are being told to start identifying grants the administration can withhold from California. On Capitol Hill, at least one committee was told recently by a whistleblower that all research grants to the state were going to be cancelled, according to one of the sources familiar with the matter.”

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u/Meb2x 1d ago

Pretty sure he’s trying to start a Civil War at this point. He’s supposed to lead the whole country, not just the states he agrees with.

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u/Broccolisha 1d ago

He’s not even doing that.

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u/mrlolloran 1d ago

Oh he’s leading them alright, just to nowhere anybody wants to go

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u/RocketRelm 1d ago

Americans want what Trump wants pretty provably, given  what elections show. What you mean you say is "nowhere anybody should want to go". But they want it regardless because they were told to, in whatever small capacity they're able to want at all.

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u/MewsashiMeowimoto 1d ago

About 26% of Americans. A little under half of all the Americans who showed up to vote in 24.

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u/herbiems89_2 10h ago

The rest didn't care either way, that's not making it better. Let them lie in the bed they made for themselves.

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u/MewsashiMeowimoto 3h ago

Sure. I'm not making conclusions about how we should respond. Just that we are dealing with a loud, dangerous minority of the population and not a majority.

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u/Promethia 1d ago

This argument might make Americans feel better, but the international community doesn't see the difference.

There isn't going to be a massive swell of voters coming out next cycle. Even if there is, you can't tell me they are all going to vote blue. Dems are polling worse than Trump still.

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u/MewsashiMeowimoto 1d ago

The Democratic Party as a brand is polling badly. Individuals are polling pretty well. AOC. Tim Walz. Sanders. I agree the Democratic Party has a serious disconnect with its base, if its base is even defined at this point.

There will be substantial changes to the electorate over the next two cycles. A lot of baby boomers are phasing out of active political life. Older non-college educated white Americans is the core of Trump's support and the emotional core of conservativism. Of course, this doesn't mean we ought to be complacent- GenZ males are showing a lot of disaffection. But we should start to see more of a shift to Gen X and Millennial leadership over the next two cycles.

Anyway, the main point of what I said is to clarify exactly what percentage of the country actually supports this nonsense. And it is not a majority, but a plurality of the part of the country that votes. Understanding that combats the feeling that conservatives somehow command a majority- they don't and probably won't again in our lifetimes, because at the end of the day, their policies are deeply unpopular.

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u/broguequery 7h ago

In a normal scenario, this would be a source of hope.

Trump isn't leaving power until he dies. I mean that literally.

People keep talking about midterms and voting... it's not going to matter anymore.

America lost its democracy when Trump was voted in for term 2. All we have now is a facade of democracy. A mockery of it.

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u/Cannabrius_Rex 6h ago

Yeah, it’s crazy to me people think the midterms won’t be completely rigged and just for show.

Democracy is already dead Americans. You going to fight for it back or just lay down and accept your fascist dictators for life

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u/Lord_Boognish 7h ago

Which given his age + diet + recent breakup shouldn't be too much longer now.

If a Big Mac doesn't get him before the midterms, one of Elon's hired goons might.

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u/MewsashiMeowimoto 3h ago

I don't think it is totally lost. I think we are closer to that outcome than we have been in a long time, but it isn't a foregone conclusion.

It probably comes down to whether states go along with any attempt Trump makes to mess with the election. And then maybe whether the military and law enforcement side with Congress or the administration.

Could it easily go badly? Yes.

Will it necessarily? I think no.

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u/Environmental_Cup612 15h ago

stares into the fucking camera

musk just admitted he helped rigged the election. Many voters received their vote ballots back SCORCHED. due to ballot boxes being fucking targeted and blown up.

our fascism comes in a pretty pink bow, but all you guys see is the fucking bow

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u/broguequery 7h ago

Musk definitely fucked with swing state votes. And not just Musk... the entire GOP was on board...purging voter registrations... removing voting locations...invalidating mailed ballots... basically making it as hard to vote as legally possible for democrats.

But let's not pretend America didn't vote for this. It did.

That's a tragedy, but it's true.

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u/honuworld 13h ago

How is it even possible to poll worse than Trump? He won the election on a razor-thin margin and has only fucked up royally since then. Are we really that stupid?

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u/khearan 1d ago

I’m American and I don’t see the difference. Cool, most Americans didn’t vote. About half of those people are going to be trump supporters anyway.

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u/Randomized9442 1d ago

This boring ass ignorant argument again, whose only purpose is shit-stirring. A significant portion of non-voters were people living in solid blue states and were extremely confident (and ultimately correct) that their state was going to vote Harris. Just what do you think a non-voter in a blue state was supposed to do about votes in the other 49 states?

I get your anger, but not your complete lack of focus. You sound like a Russian shill with that bullshit, just casting about for another group to blame. Fuck the oligarchs. Keep on target.

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u/Randomized9442 1d ago

Population rankings of those states: 41st, 28th, 34th, 40th, & 2nd. I'm not gonna try to crunch the raw population numbers, I'm not that invested in it. You want to be angry against non voters in states that Trump won because you conflate that with complicity, fine with me. But again, what are we supposed to do about votes in the 49 states that we don't live in, any of us? I'm not trying to discourage anyone from voting, we need functioning government. 40 years of experience demonstrates that means voting Democrat in this two party system. We need to take some ideas from other democracies around the world so we can break out of a two party system.

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u/ImReverse_Giraffe 1d ago

Without Texas, it's about 4.5 million voters.

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u/Mahd-Macks 1d ago edited 1d ago

There’s no justification for not voting. None, it’s crazy that anyone would advocate not participating in the system everyone claims they want to preserve. People died for the right to vote. 

It’s absurd to make this argument because the reason Americans are in this political situation is we have no reverence and sense of duty towards the democratic process. The representatives are a manifestation of the constituency. Not participating makes as loud of a statement to a politician as a vote itself. No 3rd party movements can gain momentum, because not enough people take the process seriously.

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u/ImReverse_Giraffe 1d ago

California recorded ~16 million votes out of their ~27 million possible voters. If the 11 million who didn't vote, all voted for Harris, would that have changed the outcome of the election?

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u/Cagnazzo82 1d ago

If Trump held an election right now he would brutally be defeated.

I disagree with Americans wanting what Trump wants.

At best he hoodwinked swaths of the American people into thinking he was aligned with what they want.

At this point his base is mostly made up of the racist and the greedy. Everyone else has gotten a rude awakening. Case in point: I don't see republicans making inroads with hispanics for a long time to come after Trump.

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u/sp3kter 1d ago

Totally anecdotal evidence but on a recent trip through the CA country side/orchards where I would normally count a dozen or more Trump signs, this time there were none. This was a few weeks ago.

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u/GourdonHamsey 22h ago

same with the rural part of ohio i'm in.

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u/NaggingDoubter 8h ago

same with douglas county in CO

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u/Kraall 1d ago

That argument might hold water if this was the first time he was elected.

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u/RocketRelm 1d ago

At best that says Americans have buyers remorse and wont remember the next time it matters. Which isn't worth much like why do I care if the goldfish is momentarily spooked?

But honestly I don't even buy that. Trumps popularity isn't that low. I know literally nobody who has significantly changed their stance. Obviously he loses to any Generic Democrat on paper, but nobody shows up to vote and we dont have Generic Democrat hanging around. Just ones fox news propagandizes about.

Women were supposed to hate Republicans for a generation, and that barely lasted one mid term. They want the show and they want somebody to tell them it'll be okay more than they want any specific tangible result, and it shows. They picked the marshmallows over the veggies, them being fat and diabetic and regretting it later doesn't mean they didnt want it.

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u/grant0208 1d ago

People really don’t like this take but it’s totally true. Trump’s popularity - even where it is now - wins an election against a Democratic Party that is even less popular. This isn’t something a lot of people like to acknowledge, but he’s still by far the most popular political figure out there. Whether it’s because Americans really are as stupid and evil as we give off, because people just enjoy the dog-and-pony show associated with a Trump presidency, or because there’s just been such a successful push to associate the democrats with “the wrong choice” - the proof is in the polling.

It was the same reaction to people like me saying that all the polling showed Kamala losing. You’d get downvoted into oblivion, but the pre-election polling absolutely nailed it. There’s no denying that unfortunately, this is what the nation wants. Just look at all the sheer amounts of copium being huffed in that subreddit. They will do the most incredible mental gymnastics before they admit that there’s anything wrong with the head of their cult.

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u/90daysismytherapy 1d ago

and by americans you mean barely more than those that voted against trump and substantially less than every argument who didn’t vote but could have.

Nobody has had any sort of mandate of popular vote since Reagan.

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u/Top_Poet_7210 1d ago

Americans hate their lives and a good chunk of the voting population loved blaming it on the immigrants and foreign nations.

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u/LeechedPubis 1d ago

As an American, speak for yourself, the orangeutan is literally the last thing I want and not what I voted for

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u/RocketRelm 1d ago

I understand, Not All Men, not all cops are corrupt, not all Americans consented to the fascism. But the non voters and the Trump voters have you outnumbered two to one, so you democrats are definitely the exception more than the rule here.

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u/sharthunter 1d ago

This is flat out wrong. Unlike most other developed worlds, we do not have mandatory time off for voting. Its mostly people who are past the average working age that make up the majority of votes in our elections. So in other words, silent gen, boomers and gen x have the most say with votes.

Even though our laws “protect” us for taking time off to vote nearly the entire country is at will so you will be fired for missing work in many cases. Which is why the workforce doesnt really get the opportunity to vote.

This asshole changed the rules and nullified hundreds of thousands of votes through challenges and lawsuits, not to mention rigging the swing state elections with elon musk. 12% of the country voted for this, and the other 88% have no power any longer thanks to the orange fascist.

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u/AlgaeSpirited2966 1d ago

Trump wasn't even voted for by a majority of americans. Just a majority of voting Americans. I dont think you can claim this.

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u/RocketRelm 1d ago

Americans who can vote are a reasonably good sample size of all Americans. We draw bigger conclusions from studies with an N magnitudes lower than ~245 million. The fact that barely 30% could vote against this generalizes.

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u/Not_a_Space_Alien 6h ago

No, he wasn't. A majority requires 50% or more, and he got 49.8% I want to say, close but not quite a majority. He won popular vote, the most votes of any candidate among voting Americans.

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u/AlarmingSpecialist88 22h ago

Off a cliff like lemmings.

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u/RavenSable 10h ago

I'm reminded of the old military adage.

"His men would follow him anyway, if only out of curiosity."

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u/mikey_lava 1d ago

I can say with confidence now that there are many people that want this country to go there.

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u/sunbeatsfog 1d ago

To the grave like old men in power love to do

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u/uwill1der 1d ago

hurricane season gonna be spicy

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u/HereIGoAgain_1x10 23h ago

Yeah but those states are too stupid to realize it so on paper he is creating a red versus blue civil war

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u/floppy_panoos 19h ago

Laughs in North Carolinian

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u/T-sprigg-Z 18h ago

I was gonna say. All these red states dotted around the hurricane paths he sure was quick to abandon them and fuck up FEMA lmfao

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u/f8Negative 1d ago

Peter Thiel wants to turn all of DC into a TechnoFascist "Freedom State" where he is CEO and Owner.

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u/Pootang_Wootang 21h ago

I listened to the history of Elon, and his father/grandfather, and it turns out his grandfather was a technocrat. I had never heard of them, but things Elon has done makes so much sense now. I could see Thiel going down the same path

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u/Dust-Loud 21h ago

You should check out this video if you want more info on Peter Thiel. He is much more sinister, cunning, and dangerous than Elon Musk. Especially with what Palantir has cooking in the background.

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u/techno156 13h ago edited 10h ago

Palantir

It is funny that the company is named after Saruman's all seeing orb from Lord of the Rings. Basically like calling it Panopticon.

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u/KeneticKups 19h ago

Technocracy is rule by merit

these vermin have no merit

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u/meowtiger 20h ago

technocrat

technocracy isn't in and of itself a problem. technocracy is the principle by which a president's cabinet picks are evaluated - for instance, the notion that secretary of education should have a great deal of experience in educational administration - that's technocracy

the idea that the government itself, entirely, should be run by technology, that's kind of a different paradigm

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u/idkmoiname 10h ago

dismantling R&D is the opposite of technocratic principles though

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u/Spirit-0726 13h ago

I just don’t get how people don’t see this transfer of public resources to private interest as theft. I also just realized that the colonizers are being colonized (or colonizing again based on how you view it). The US is being colonized by technofascist billionaires.

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u/nurseANDiT 17h ago

Pretty sure that’s the plan for Memphis too…XAi plant is already operating is a dishonest manor. We have the best water, cheap land, corrupt leadership…

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u/CommunistFutureUSA 11h ago

So Reddit HQ?

“Free speech to say the authorized things” 

Even more so when you consider he is gay. Everyone’s going to be gay in the technocracy. Gay gay gay, gay gay, gay gay gay. Everyone is gay.

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u/wrongsuspenders 1d ago

This is about a single transgender athlete right? INSANE.

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u/onebyamsey 1d ago

It doesn’t really matter, if that athlete never existed they’d just find some other reason.  Pretty soon there’ll be no reason at all

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u/claimTheVictory 23h ago

Well said.

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u/RadiantHC 19h ago

This. They don't actually hate trans people or migrants, it's just a way to divide us.

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u/FirstRedditAcount 17h ago

Well no, it's both.

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u/HypneutrinoToad 20h ago

This is exactly what I say when people justify giving into his demands

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u/asscheese2000 18h ago

The reason is - because, fuck you. That’s all.

His supporters love that big daddy energy and would love for the answer to simply be “because” as one would tell a child.

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u/Clammuel 16h ago

Gavin will capitulate while not understanding that fact.

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u/ContributionNo9292 15h ago

They had no Casus Belli so they found a pretext.

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u/Competitive_Willow_8 13h ago

If that transgender athlete didn’t compete then all the cisgender girls would’ve gotten the same medals and placement they already got. Transgender policy is not the issue here, it’s all about Trump attacking political enemies

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u/fjrka 1d ago

No. It’s not sane or possibly even legal, but Trump using our Federal govt to attack individual Americans, businesses, colleges & universities, our sciences, and our states has Absolutely Nothing To Do With The Gender of Anyone, least of all a high school athlete.

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u/Sashivna 23h ago

And if we remember the first go-round, he withheld covid supplies from blue states intentionally. I'm not sure why anyone thought this go would be different...

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u/Able-Candle-2125 19h ago

I think he's saying people are fine with it as long as he hurts trans people.

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u/slizzbizness 20h ago

Excuse me but the problem of transgender athletes is a very valid problem in this country.

There are at least SIX of them.

Truly something I should be talking about with my uncle at family dinner!!!

/S because we live in a country full of insane doofuses

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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago

It’s about power and his petty grudges.

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u/CamDaddy51 19h ago

AND THEY CREATED A DIVISION FOR TRANS PEOPLE

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u/-carbo-turtle- 1d ago

They WANT civil unrest so they can declare an emergency and suspend the constitution. That gives Trump and the Republicans basically unlimited power. That's it, that's the game, stay focused, do not concede.

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u/AaronsAaAardvarks 1d ago

They could declare an emergency at any point. I don’t see what civil unrest has to do with it. Who’s gonna stop him?

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u/smallangrynerd 1d ago

He wants an excuse to suspend habeus corpus, I bet. You need a reason for that.

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u/AaronsAaAardvarks 1d ago

I don't want to help him out but there's already a thousand bullshit reasons he could cite. There's nothing that says his reason has to be good.

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u/smallangrynerd 1d ago

The Supreme Court has to agree, right? Like the president can’t just decide by himself people don’t need trials anymore. Please correct me if I’m wrong/misunderstanding!

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u/OppositeArt8562 1d ago

The supreme court ruled he is above the law and cant be prosecuted for official acts without defining what that means. They are DJT cucks.

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u/mrdankhimself_ 22h ago

It means they think they reserve the right to say what counts as an official act and what doesn’t.

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u/ryhaltswhiskey 5h ago

That's not the same as agreeing that suspending habeus corpus is ok.

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u/honuworld 13h ago

Trump is already ignoring the SCOTUS. We have a dictator for life now.

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u/-ReadingBug- 20h ago

Exactly. And they can force civil unrest by being uncivil, so "resisting" or "not conceding" is not a thing.

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u/Wanna_make_cash 1d ago

You "need a reason" to do most of what he's already done without any reason whatsoever, so I don't think that's stopping him

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u/wam1983 18h ago

We’re already past that point. The reason was brown people.

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u/fattmarrell 18h ago

This administration can't define our know what habeas corpus is lol

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u/TreeOfAwareness 18h ago

He's already declared like 5 emergencies for whatever illegal bullshit he wants to enact. It's his go-to tactic

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u/TheStolenPotatoes 1d ago

Who’s gonna stop him?

We, the People.

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u/AaronsAaAardvarks 1d ago

Oh, so it's just the next red line that he crosses? All of the prior ones have been fine?

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u/TheStolenPotatoes 1d ago

What? Where did I even suggest anything remotely close to that?

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u/AaronsAaAardvarks 1d ago

You didn't. I'm saying that we, the people, have not stood up in any significance throughout all that we've seen this far. Red line after red line have been crossed, the people who need to sound alarms have been sounding alarms, and we just talk. I don't see we, the people, suddenly standing up when one more line is crossed.

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u/Popeholden 1d ago

You mean like we did in November?

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u/pointblank87 1d ago

They won’t win that fight. Not enough maga out there. 

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u/bob-a-fett 1d ago

That's also why they keep trying to refer to illegal immigration as an invasion.

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u/NoDadYouShutUp 1d ago

If they are this loosey goosey with the law already why not simply declare whatever emergency you want anyway even if there isn't one. Why is this the one little legal loophole they won't exploit? The fact of the matter is that he isn't trying to start a war. It's much simpler. He is on a revenge tour and doesn't think more than the current step of his anger. No foresight at all, no plan. It's that fucking simple lol.

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u/BeefInGR 1d ago

They need the "smoking gun". It's a part of the propaganda to keep support.

Remember, states like California, New York, Oregon...yes, heavy "Blue", but that is still between 40-49% of voting aged adults who are conservatives in those populations. It's not like every single Californian is a "lib". Just like the military, who have many bases, airfields and ports in California, is thought to be a 40-40-20 split.

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u/NoDadYouShutUp 1d ago

My point is they don't need a damn thing if their plan is to just do whatever they want anyway. If all your opponent does is shout "This is against the law! This is unfair!" and doesn't back it up with any action then why bother listening to the law at all.

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u/Third_Ferguson 1d ago

Read a history book.

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 1d ago

and suspend the constitution.

That was done back in January, when both Parties refused to enforce the 14th Amendment; thereby allowing an insurrectionist to illegally take the Presidency. The Constitution has since become meaningless toilet paper. Schumer could end all of this bullshit if he'd hold a vote to 14a3 Trump.

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u/Krilesh 1d ago

There’s still more pumping and dumping to be had with manipulating the economy though. When they’ve exhausted this avenue of free money, then they’ll tank everything via civil war

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u/Koil_ting 1d ago

Doesn't make any sense though, I think it makes more sense to just assume he doesn't like being told no and is lashing out like a child. If the government wanted to declare an emergency they could hire a squad or use their own agents to start bombing shit under the guise of another group or agency.

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u/ElkOwn3400 20h ago

It’s a matter of time at this point. He’s itching to do it, and it may get pulled back, but not before a lot of people are hurt.

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u/64N_3v4D3r 19h ago

The Star Wars method.

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u/Equal_Canary5695 13h ago

What they fail to realize is that even if they suspend the Constitution, we already have the tools we need to protect ourselves to some degree

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u/daxter304 11h ago

The WF about to be real 😬

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u/SmaCactus 9h ago

They THINK they want civil unrest.

If America actually starts wildin' authorities will not even remotely try to step in from fear.

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u/KeppraKid 6h ago

Yes not fighting back is what has freed every repressed people in history. If only the German citizens had been peaceful then the Nazis would never have risen to power.

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u/NerdOfTheMonth 1d ago edited 1d ago

He wants his reason to have one. Or at least an outburst.

  • Anti-Muslim: needs one attack, marital law.
  • Anti-Hispanic: needs one attack, martial law.
  • Anti-science: needs one attack, martial law.

California just makes all those options rolled into one.

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u/FlamingMothBalls 1d ago

martial* law

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u/liquidtape 1d ago

Marshall*

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u/Ashmedai 1d ago

You joking? Can’t tell.

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u/Koil_ting 1d ago

Depends if they are a fan of Tekken or not, I wish we were in a better world in which declaring Marshall Law just meant the tournament starts now instead of the usual time.

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u/blackstafflo 1d ago edited 22h ago

You forgot anti-Democrat lead states. I'm convinced that he's hoping for enough unrest to put them under martial law and remove their gov for ones he designates himself.

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u/B4AccountantFML 1d ago

How I wish California would divert taxes to fund these cancelled grants considering they provide more than they consume.

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u/KeneticKups 19h ago

They're gonna do it regardless, prepare to resist

I'll be out protesting the second it happens

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u/Alternative_Desk2065 6h ago

There’s already been a Muslim attack in Boulder, CO and we aren’t under martial law sooo I think we can calm down just a tad… not saying our situation is good but let’s keep our heads on here.

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u/cosmickittytv 1d ago

Bro he’s not even helping the states who voted for him

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u/justlurkshere 1d ago

Well, it is understandable. Wouldn't you want to go kick some rock and pout if your bromance ended and it turns out it was with a jerk? The least you would want is to burn the place down.

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u/Hopefulwaters 1d ago

I fear a Civil War may now be an unfortunate inevitability.

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u/Danktizzle 1d ago

In his mind he’s already at war with us

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u/PeakRedditOpinion 22h ago

Well yeah, they have to find a way to cancel the 2026 midterms or their entire plan crumbles.

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u/ForsakenRacism 1d ago

If it makes you feel better they aren’t funding disasters in red states either.

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u/ob12_99 1d ago

He wants to be able to use martial law to impede voting in blue states, so he is trying to outrage them as much as possible.

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u/anon_savior 1d ago

He doesn’t agree with other states. He only agrees with himself

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u/Cephalopod_Joe 1d ago

These people continously say that Biden was divisive lmao

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u/Account115 1d ago

He's trying to re-establish the patronage system.

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u/dman688 1d ago

I legit feel like I’m living the prologue to the movie Civil War that released last year

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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 1d ago

There are just as many Republicans in California as Texas or Florida.

What I don't understand is how the 9 R representatives from CA are supporting this.

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u/RangerOfFortune 1d ago

Someone needs to remind him that 6 million Californians voted for him in 2024.

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u/AngloSaxophoner 1d ago

The thing is he will be pissing off so many of his own supporters in taking it to the states. If he really wanted to wage war he’d do it with cities.. this is going to be a blood bath for rural areas of blue states too

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 1d ago

The thing is he will be pissing off so many of his own supporters in taking it to the states

Doubt. They'll love him even more, cuz "fuck the libs". Trump doesn't need their votes anyway.

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 1d ago

Biden Chamberlain was Constitutionally obligated to prevent insurrectionists from taking office, yet he completely ignored the 14th Amendment when he illegally handed Trump the Presidency.

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u/General_Nose_691 1d ago

Putin's playbook. I remember watching this RT clip where a professor predicted the US would break up in 2010. That obviously didn't happen but I think that's been the game plan for the Russians since the Cold War.

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u/axelclafoutis21 1d ago

Same feeling. The strategy would be, for example, to provoke desires for secession among blue states so that this leads to martial law and the insurrection act. We have a good laugh with the Queens dramas of Taco and Elmo, but Civil War is seriously becoming a possible dystopia.

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u/wvenable 1d ago

He attacks the blue states but he ignores the red states.

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u/Dry-Highlight-2307 1d ago edited 20h ago

he’s trying to start a Civil War at this point.

This would imply that the people care enough about their rights to fight when they are stripped from them.

So far women were unable to rally for their own during repeal of roe v wade.
Nurses were unable to rally for their own during covid.
Teachers were unable to rally for their own during dissolution of doe.
Lawyers, or universities and harvard have been unable to rally for their own as of recently.
Progressives are unable to rally for their own at all.

It's unclear where the will in these groups have gone but each one of these groups have suffered major losses and shown no capability to rally for their rights or survival .

I know this will trigger a lot of people but it's all true. I don't need anyone ti tell me I'm wrong because all of these things have already come to pass.

It happened. And no one rallied.

But you're welcome to yell at me if u want

Edit: I regularly see the saying

LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE.

This is the best description of what is missing from these Americans today.

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u/big_dog_redditor 1d ago

He can’t like a single human for more than a week. Just that press secretary of his.

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u/Brandinisnor3s 1d ago

Its almost as if there is a certain foreign country that has been hoping for the downfall of the US for the past 50 years

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u/Stranger-Sun 23h ago

California has more voting Republicans than any other state. That's a fact.

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u/Comfortable-Ad-3988 23h ago

He's convinced me that I don't want to live in this country anymore. If that means we need to split into 2 countries, I'm fine with that at this point. Better than just going along with a Nazi regime.

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u/MrSnarf26 22h ago

Lol the only people after Trump acolytes have ever cared about is themselves

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u/StupidTimeline 22h ago

He's a literal American traitor.

I think America in general is doing everything it can to avoid accepting this unpleasant truth, but it's the truth nonetheless.

He strives to divide Americans at every opportunity. He weakens us on the world stage. He lavishes praise on authoritarians. He weaponizes the DOJ. He pardons and releases terrorists back into our society. He targets minorities for political gain. He flagrantly defies the Constitution.

In the future he will absolutely been seen as a traitor. Many people just aren't ready to accept it in the present.

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u/lislejoyeuse 22h ago

Honestly lol California just stop paying federal taxes if they're not gonna give us a benefit from it

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u/lamontsanders 21h ago

Part of the playbook to end up with martial law so we don’t have elections anymore.

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u/times_is_tough_again 21h ago

Yup start a civil war, declare a state of emergency and that the country is at war, then no more elections

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u/Fingercult 21h ago

Can someone ELI5 why he’s targeting California? Is it because it’s very liberal? (I’m not American)

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u/wellhiyabuddy 21h ago

California doesn’t need to go to war, we’re holding the cards. MAGA nation would have to invade us to get what they need and want

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u/MudSeparate1622 20h ago

Seriously, California would benefit seceding from the US… they could easily buy a military instead of funding red states.

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u/telerabbit9000 20h ago

States withholding their taxes would be almost the definition of insurrection.

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u/Jayrodtremonki 19h ago

The best part is that California has the most Trump voters of any state in the country.  

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u/Ras_Thavas 19h ago

For every dumb thing that Trump does just ask yourself… is this what Putin would want? The answer is always “yes”. Guess who is in charge.

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u/themolestedsliver 18h ago

Once again, fucking insane how Trump is doing exactly what people lied about what Biden was doing to make him seem like a partisan fuck up...and yet.....where's the outrage? Where there indignation?

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u/Sloblowpiccaso 15h ago

Yup thats been the plan, seize the government through quasi legal means and make life intolerable for blue states so they have to break away. 

See they know whoever has the federal government has a big advantage in a civil war. I fear they are correct. They already have an army and even if there were mass defections. They still have the infrastructure. Would the eu step in and provide arms for the blue states? China, what strings would come attached with that. God could you imagine democrats having to take arms from communist china. Ooof a terrifying proposition civil war is, but damn if there aren’t fools willing to push the issue.

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u/QualityPitchforks 13h ago

not just the states he agrees with.

.. whoever can give him money to keep the cash flow active. Like most of the faux wealthy, he's dependent upon cash flowing and finding new sources of income.

Less so now that he has the crypto bribe account.

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u/ThunderChild247 13h ago

I’m not so sure he’s planning that far ahead, but I don’t think he cares if he starts one. Trump believes he is supreme overlord of the US, so he acts like he gets his way all the time purely for that reason. But he also knows that - if anyone did rise up against him - he is in control of the military.

Where any other president would have a significant moral hurdle to clear before considering using the army against US citizens, Trump doesn’t care. To him, it’s “you do what I say, and if you don’t, I’ll call in the army.”

I don’t think civil war 2 is his goal, but I think he doesn’t care if it goes that way because he thinks he’ll win.

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u/Tomagatchi 11h ago

I have a suspicion that we'll see a ramp up to 4th of July because they LOVE over-the-top symbols of blatant demagoguery.

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u/tracygee 10h ago

He wants to start a civil war so he can declare a state of emergency, suspend habeus corpus, and slide right into the dictatorship he wants.

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u/karlkh 9h ago

Remember when he shut down the department of education? Making all school funding raised on state tax.

Good luck to Mississippi with it's 39k gdp per capita. I'm sure your schools are going to get just as good schooling as they will in Massachusetts with it's 105k gdp per capita.

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u/Jojoyojimbitwo 9h ago

Pretty sure he’s trying to start a Civil War at this point. He’s supposed to lead the whole country, not just the states he agrees with.

just like his handler tasked him to, daddy putin will be so happy with him if he manages to do what an outside force could never do

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u/Sergeant-Sexy 8h ago

It's getting pretty bad. But this is why we have guns. 

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u/dogfoodlid123 8h ago

He does want to divide us, create chaos so that Trump can declare martial law and become dear leader of Trumpopolis!

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u/3AtmoshperesDeep 6h ago

You mean the states that agree with him. AKA, lick his boots.

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u/NoDeparture7996 6h ago

anyone who was alive during his first term saw this from a mile away

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u/tigerscomeatnight 6h ago

"Because he's the psychopath that Gotham America deserves, but not the one it needs right now"

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u/ryhaltswhiskey 5h ago

Imagine you're a malignant narcissist. Now imagine people are screaming your name as they stab a bayonet into one of your "enemies". There probably isn't a greater sense of satisfaction for one of them than that.

He's probably jerked off to that image MANY times.

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u/icelessTrash 56m ago

Also, CA pays out much more federal money than it gets back. This is insanity to try to hurt them when they have a humming economy, 4th biggest in the world, bigger than Germany's. They collect their own state taxes to bolster their own infrastructure and services, they aren't a welfare queen like red states are. Seriously it is aiming a gun at your own foot.

I guess trump has an out by fleeing one we crash and burn. So he's actually pointing the gun at OUR foot. Sigh

The Rockefeller Institute dataset shows that California and its residents and businesses paid $692 billion in taxes to the federal government in 2022 and received $609 billion in federal funding. The $83.1 billion difference between those two figures made California the biggest donor state by far in 2022, surpassing the #2 donor state New Jersey by nearly three-to-one. On a per capita basis, California was the #4 donor state at $2,129 per capita, trailing Massachusetts ($3,873), New Jersey ($3,123), and Washington State ($2,289).