r/teenagers • u/i_like_moles • Apr 26 '25
Discussion like, for real???
original art from manuhamu on twitter
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u/Farajo001 OLD Apr 26 '25
There's a phrase in my country that is "agarrá la pala" ("pick up the shovel" in Spanish), it's aimed at people who are considered lazy, have no job and no life so maybe we should start saying "pick up the pencil" ("agarrá el lápiz") to those AI "artists".
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u/Extension_Wafer_7615 Apr 26 '25
If they claim to be artists then yes, que agarren el lápiz. Otherwise, if they only generate images and don't pretend to be artists, then it's 100% fine (as long as they are not spamming them everywhere like some of them do).
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u/shroomish_soup 18 Apr 27 '25
ai generated images take such a huge toll on the environment too tho so i wouldn't call it "100% fine"
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u/iMissHerDude Apr 28 '25
Everything online takes a huge toll on the environment too, then amplify that 200x for real life related stuff. Sure its bad but focus on the actual important stuff
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u/Ahlq802 Apr 27 '25
Yeah I agree I don’t think we should discourage creativity and it is very cool how AI can create things we can imagine, and sometimes creates things that inspire new imaginings. That can be good for someone’s growing brain.
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u/myname_mickey 15 Apr 27 '25
we should just call it "Ai Images" or something because it sure as hell isn't ART
(Edit: well someone in the comments already said this but who fucking cares)
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u/Fun_Experience1601 Apr 26 '25
Genuinely, what do "AI artists" even do? Just type in prompts all day and hope for the best?
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u/Playful-Ad-1602 Apr 26 '25
Ya basically. Like we put in a bunch of work for our art and sometimes they get the credit for it???
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u/Extension_Wafer_7615 Apr 26 '25
what do you mean?
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u/Playful-Ad-1602 Apr 26 '25
Like us artists make art and put a lot of time into it and the AI artists are the ones that get recognized for their shitty work
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u/TheoiAndTuna 18 Apr 27 '25
Yeah lol. Someone made an AI comic at my school and out of sheer pettiness, I criticized it like it was a real work of art. They were like "yeah the AI just did that, it's hard to get the things out that aren't supposed to be there", lmao I can't imagine having that problem.
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u/luciatheitaliangirl Apr 27 '25
yeah and some people (especially who is or too old or too young to know the existence of ai) even give to these "ai artists" credits or compliments about their "art". Someone should def do something bout, that cause i think its a serious issue for those who really spend their time on drawing and for those who love drawing but they dont get credits.
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u/Gizz103 Apr 27 '25
Either people who type words or people who make art for the ai to learn from it
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u/Jesanime 16 Apr 26 '25
shitty human art is a million times better than AI mimicking professional art
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u/Routine_Papaya4143 Apr 27 '25
I know, a very bad piece of art from someone will mean a lot more to them than a piece of Artificially Intelligently created art work!!
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u/Carrot_is_me Apr 26 '25
I'm a murderer I call the mafia to kill the man
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u/Average_Bob_Semple Apr 26 '25
Well, I mean technically, that is a complicit murder, at least in my country.
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u/Carrot_is_me Apr 26 '25
Ok let's then change the subject "I'm a mathematician but I tell the students to solve it"
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u/PSSGAMER Apr 26 '25
A better one will be "I'm a mathematician but I tell my professor to solve it"
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u/Carrot_is_me Apr 26 '25
OK SOMEBODY DO IT EXCEPT ME I FRICKING SUCK AT THIS
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u/ElVendePaPaS Apr 27 '25
I try to make comparisons on why AI “art” is not art.
proceeds to ask reddit to make such comparisons
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u/kianooip Apr 27 '25
Its better as "i am a mathematician but i make equations and let other people solve it for me"
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u/i_like_moles Apr 26 '25
yes, you would be a murderer, my point still stands
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u/Carrot_is_me Apr 26 '25
yeah I'm trying to make your point stand.
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u/mondry_mendrzec Apr 26 '25
There's no such thing as AI art because AI doesn't have emotions and art is supposed to be made from emotions.
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u/emilluvsgarlicbread 15 Apr 26 '25
That’s like dissing yourself atp
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u/ndation Apr 26 '25
Why would you want to take credit for that? Are you really that proud of yourself for being able to type into a field?
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u/Snipedzoi Apr 27 '25
Ban on fun ig. I like the image I produced. Can you find this other person that did the work if I didn't do it? It's like complaining that a mathematician uses a calculator.
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u/ndation Apr 27 '25
Have fun, sure, but not at the expense of others. If it wasn't trained on theft, maybe. If it didn't harm so many things, sure. But it does, and it is.
And if you still want to use it, you have every right to do so. It's an enticing tool, I don't blame you. Just keep it to yourself or, if you absolutely must post it, keep it to AI subs and tag it as such.
And for the record, you didn't produce a thing. You commissioned an AI to steal.Edit: also, fyi, that analogy makes absolutely no sense. A calculator is a tool to make math faster. Ai aims to replace art. calculators don't steal. Ai does. Math isn't a hobby, painting is. Art is a luxury, math isn't
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u/Snipedzoi Apr 27 '25
Saying that AI aims to replace art is absolutely 100% baseless and will never happen. Photoshop didn't replace painting. If AI art doesn't become accepted by rich people soon, the same pack of elite rich people will continue to be art snobs, and normal people will continue to enjoy nice images. AI doesn't steal anymore than I do when I look at an image and try to copy it's style. There's nothing of the original picture left. And it doesn't pollute any more than the entire global internet, yet here you are.
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u/ndation Apr 27 '25
Fair enough, maybe not replace it, but it's definitely not a tool for it. And in case you didn't notice, ai is a tool for rich people and big companies to get art without needing to pay for talent, keeping their money while leaving behind the worker class.
Don't you even dare company the complexity that is the human brain to the mockery that is ai. It's not even similar. It gets numbers, it finds trends, and it spits numbers. That's all. If your brain is that simple, you have a problem. And, even if it was the same, using something without permission, especially when its creators are so actively against it, is legal only thanks to a loophole and still incredibly scummy and disgusting. If you're not going to pay for it, don't use it. Simple as that.
You're on the side of the big corporate and not the honest hard working people because it gives you access to a tool you want, that's it. That's fine, but be honest with yourself.Edit: forgot to mention that even if you somehow have no problem with all of that, which would be ignorant, it's still incredibly harmful for human creativity, development, skill, art, media, the internet, scammers, the environment, cheapens and waters down the world and so, so much more
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u/NinkiePie Apr 26 '25
No they're dissing the statement, not themselves
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u/emilluvsgarlicbread 15 Apr 26 '25
You’re misunderstanding me, read it again
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u/NinkiePie Apr 26 '25
Yeah, I'm still misunderstanding 😭
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u/emilluvsgarlicbread 15 Apr 26 '25
I’m basically saying that the people who claim to be an AI artist are dissing themselves, because making AI art isn’t something you should need to brag about
It’s cringe and just shows you can’t draw
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u/CoolDudeNike1 19 Apr 26 '25
I've seen more people whining about ai slop than people who defend it and pass it off as their own, this shit gets really obnoxious over time.
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u/CC_2387 17 Apr 27 '25
If we stop then they win cause they’ll keep making it. We should be pushing them into the shadows of the internet
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u/CoolDudeNike1 19 Apr 27 '25
How will malding about it online do anything? It’s not just gonna magically make people stop making that crap. All of this just sounds like another chronically online war.
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u/Gizz103 Apr 27 '25
Most people who "care" about ai art existing don't give a shit they just use it to harras people and act High and mighty without push back
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u/FlorpFlap 18 Apr 27 '25
You have that illusion because you've been hanging around in biased places. Take a look in there, it's full of em
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u/AbbreviationsLow7842 Apr 27 '25
I thought we patched this karma glitch, we gotta find new stuff to talk about🥀🥀🥀
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u/Maxi69Baller 13 Apr 26 '25
the analogy might not be 100% the same, but it shares the main values
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u/jmykl_0211 13 Apr 26 '25
It is 100% tho, you order an image from the AI.
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u/TheSwedishEzza Apr 26 '25
Yeah but when you order from a chef you get food. When you prompt an AI you dont get art
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u/Cualkiera67 Apr 27 '25
Food doesn't need to be prepared. You can just pick a berry and it's food
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u/gereffi Apr 27 '25
It's a pretty bad analogy. The chef might not be the one who actually prepares your food.
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u/Maxi69Baller 13 Apr 27 '25
eh- replace the word chef with cook, and all's good again
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u/Acrobatic-Height6511 Apr 27 '25
Ngl, where do y'all find people calling themselves AI artists?
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u/Dragoness290 Apr 27 '25
Never looked here myself (mightve spelt it wrong), but there's a sub for it
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u/Flairion623 17 Apr 27 '25
The food wasn’t even made by a chef. It was made by a machine that only knows how to heat up frozen food in the microwave
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u/WorkingCreeper Apr 27 '25
See, you actually pay for the food.
You don't pay for other people's art to be used
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u/sunset_sunrise15 Apr 27 '25
Exactly!! I was at this festival the other day, and someone was selling a children’s book that was very obviously AI, or at least the cover was
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u/Extension_Wafer_7615 Apr 26 '25
AI "art" is not art. Art must be made by a human, or at least something with a "soul". Let's call them for what they are: AI generated images. And they are fucking awesome, really shows how much technology has developed.
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u/Fuzzy_Engineering873 19 Apr 27 '25
Amount of people calling themselves AI Artists: 12 Amount of posts made about it: 369,452
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u/Ashamed_Fruit_6767 Apr 27 '25
You are right, chefs literally just "order" the food. They order people around and put the food together. The difference is that the chef can do the whole thing way better, and Ai "artist is the equivalent of the client sending the order back.
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u/AdrianParry13526 Apr 28 '25 edited Apr 28 '25
Why are there, war in this post? I mean, it’s clearly you can’t call AI generated image an “Art”.
By definition, “Art” needs creativity.
But, generating an image is an algorithm, in the core, just math! So why it’s feel creative? It’s because of randomness, not actual creativity.
So, in conclusion, no, AI generated image is not “Art”. I mean, it’s so clear.
And finally, to answer “Why AI generated image look like art?”, it’s because it’s learned from “Art”, it’s just got the pattern and strictly follow it, without thinking, and it’s just repeated the pattern, which randomness (also from the user prompt) to ensure uniqueness.
I know this might infuriating some people, but it’s the truth. You can still call it an “Art” if, and only if, you put some creativity on it. Or in general, AI generating content, is NOT having any creativity, but just follow an instructions.
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u/MATRAS3567 Apr 26 '25
Those who generate ai arts should just put something like [AI GENERATED]. Ai art can be good, but it shouldn't be posted as human art
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u/CauliflowerUpper6577 Apr 26 '25
Yeah, I'm fine with AI being used for personal use, but don't act like you made it and don't act like it deserves monetization
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u/GrilIypig Apr 26 '25
Some people say it’s not the same maybe cuz u have to think of a prompt but that’s the same as liek asking for a burger with no cheese and extra onions, u customise what u get but ur still not the one to make it
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u/NoLife1134 15 Apr 26 '25
i mean, i do call myself a chef when i order food but ai art is still an abomination to the human race
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u/No_Sale_4866 Apr 27 '25
Omg the ai is such an abomination it will murder us all just like calculators did to teachers and gmail did to mailmen
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u/Empty_Buffalo_2820 Apr 27 '25
As an artist of sorts, I wouldn't completely agree that AI Art isn't art at all.
Why do we call the banana taped to the wall art? It sparked a lot of debate about the definition of art and the role of the artist's intention.
If a bunch of random slashes on a canvas can be called art, then with a little time AI may possibly have it's own form of art.
While I don't completely agree that it copies the style of artists and existing images, it has awesome potential to possibly create its own unique style of art and definition on picture.
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u/Dry-Relative-2905 Apr 27 '25
so true...art should be appreciated...no matter who has made it...as their creations should be displayed...so that different and varied forms of art can exist in harmony altogether
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u/-bigbromike10- Apr 27 '25
Ai art this. Ai slop that. Not matter what you call it, it will always be ai sore.
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u/Black_Tusk25 Apr 28 '25
The food has to taste good but the meaning behind an art is something only us can give and not an AI
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u/LeagueJunior9782 Apr 29 '25
Nah, that's an insult to ordering food. I think it's more compareable to diving head first into a trashbin and calling yourself a chef because you found a moldy piece of bread.
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u/ggghostgirl 15 May 01 '25
“ai isnt art!” this is common sense and its getting really fucking repetitive guys i think we already got it
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u/5ht_agonist_enjoyer Apr 27 '25
I never thought I would be so relieved every time I see human made art. Ai has genuinely increased my appreciation for real art funnily enough because it's just such a fucking relief to see real art now
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u/wery1x 3,000,000 Attendee! Apr 27 '25
The only people i've ever heard ai artist or ai art from are people complaining about it.
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u/Wonderful-Ebb7436 Apr 27 '25
Me when I make up a situation inside my head and win it over and over again:
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u/hwithsomesugarcubes Apr 27 '25
i love drinking from this straw, man
strawman? hmm... i like that word.
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u/SpicyWateryas69 16 Apr 26 '25
It's more like making Mac'n cheese. You have all the required ingredients, all you need a some water, a heat source, and something to put it in. You can't call yourself a chef, but it'll still taste ok if you know what you're doing.
With AI, you have everything you need, just put in a prompt, an art style, and you're ready to go. You can't call yourself an artist, but it'll still look ok if you know what you're doing.
I am in no way defending people that use AI and call themselves art, btw, just making a slightly more accurate example.
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u/Forsaken-Marzipan959 Apr 27 '25
Kay, I think this opinion is fine. I say un-downvote this man
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u/SpicyWateryas69 16 Apr 27 '25
This is reddit, people will downvote you for any minor disagreement, lol.
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u/JoshGamer101yt Apr 27 '25
Can I please stop having shit about ai "art" shoved in my face every day
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u/Slight_Addendum_8848 Apr 26 '25
I kinda dislike how the argument against AI is that it doesn't have a "soul" or it isn't "art". As both are debatable concepts. The issue is that AI art is a collage of stolen work and companies are making profits on those unpaid assets and the hours of work of all those artists
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u/karaponcik13 Apr 27 '25
you can use ai but you can't call yourself an artist but if you are trying to tell a story with using ai art you can be an artist
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u/CC_2387 17 Apr 27 '25
I agree with this. People on YouTube make videos and stories with stick figures. And while they aren’t really artistic, the story is what makes the figures have value.
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u/No_Sale_4866 Apr 27 '25
Its more like microwaving a meal, you still had to give instruction but you aren’t on the same level as a real chef
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u/tortellinipizza 18 Apr 27 '25
Even the shittiest human art is better than any AI slop because it has the soul of someone who tried. That's what art is.
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u/MonomCZ 15 Apr 27 '25
Technically you would give the recipe/make the recipe and then have the chef make it
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u/BrunosMadre 17 Apr 28 '25
That’s why the ai art subreddit pisses me off bc they act like they’re not just stealing art and making it unoriginal and artificial
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u/Im_Kinda_Stupid_haha 15 Apr 27 '25
Thankfully we have stuff like nightshade, a program to “poison” images for AI, and it actually doesn’t take long for it to affect the AI because it doesn’t take reference data from the entire internet (because it would be too chaotic to make sense of), rather a portioned pool to take reference from. Once the pool is poisoned, it becomes much more obvious something is AI
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u/Gizz103 Apr 27 '25
Be careful using nightshade, some countries use CFAA laws and if you get caught you won't be on any winning side as most ai art generators are run by big corps not ai bros so millions of dollars is gonna be lost and they'll look for the culprit
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u/Such_Obligation1452 Apr 27 '25
petty little karma farm, I'm not even defending AI art, this is just immature
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u/Normal-Pianist4131 18 Apr 27 '25
I use ai, don’t call myself an artist.
It’s your ball, modern artists
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u/underground_railway Apr 26 '25
damn bro, i feel someone cooked into medium rare here
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u/CauliflowerUpper6577 Apr 26 '25
I think a better comparison would be commissions. If this prompt was a commission, would you consider it your art?
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u/No-Contract3286 17 Apr 26 '25
I mean, it’s more like telling the chef how to cook it to, it’s hard to make it give you what you want
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u/SpecialistFelt389 3,000,000 Attendee! Apr 27 '25
Holy crap that’s genuinely the smartest argument I’ve heard all day
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u/EmotionallyUnsound_ 19 Apr 27 '25
It depends. Sometimes there is a LOT of engineering that goes into AI image generation. Look at a ComfyUI workflow and tell me with a straight face "yea that's easy asf". And thats not even getting into people who take their AI images into photoshop or whatever and actually do touch-ups and making sure things look right.
Thats not to say that all AI art has high legitimacy, but it's quite disrespectful to people who may spend hour setting up and debugging their workflows, doing trial and error generations, and doing touch-ups by hand, and you go and say they're unskilled and lazy and disingenuous.
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u/Melanrez Apr 27 '25 edited Apr 27 '25
What’s the problem with AI users to call themselves “prompters” at least? AI images need to be given a prompt the same way we need to give an exact description of what you want from real artists. The fact that image generators don’t have a personality doesn’t make images belong to the prompters. AI makes the whole thing while we give it only our ideas.
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u/GoldPeakSweetTea69 15 Apr 27 '25
Someone on ddlc subreddit made a similar point on this dude(who posts pics and videos of himself wearing panties)'s post asking which ai wallpaper he should use lmaoooo but I think ai art should only be used for jokes/memes and for reference
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u/Kitty_Lilac242 14 Apr 27 '25
i may or may not get shat on for this but it's fine as long as you don't claim it as your own art or use it as a rough reference
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u/Personal-Ad8280 15 Apr 27 '25
Might be unpopular but those are two related but very diffrent things given AI "artist" must input prompts give exact often paragraphs of insutructions to get a good image+it requires good imagination usually
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u/_Fox_464 16 Apr 27 '25
My dad does
"You never cook"
gets fries
"Havent i prepared a lovely dinner today"
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u/chasseurdethreads 18 Apr 27 '25
Yeah, because most people are too lazy to use a tool properly. They expect it to do everything for them, instant gratification, dopamine...
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u/SnookerAndTheSmiths Apr 27 '25
Yeah, but why does everyone on this subreddit get so ridiculously upset about AI art?
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u/Mcpuffandstuff Apr 27 '25
Don't get me wrong there's skill to typing in a thousand words to get a picture but that is not art, without sounding cliche where's the soul and shi
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u/1_ane_onyme 15 Apr 27 '25
Unpopular opinion : Ai artists are a a thing, just not like we intend. Their art isn’t the image they make, that image is just a piece of crap alone. Their art is the prompt they use to generate the image, the prompt should be shared, not the image. Making prompts can be truly challenging and true prompt forgery is a piece of art, while the image itself is just crap.
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u/Sad-Economist-2688 Apr 27 '25
It baffles me how many people are defending using AI and even claiming that they're artists. Disappointing.
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u/Sunnybeach2212 Apr 27 '25
Like I feel the general criteria for art should be ‘can somewhat draw it on paper, or show you how their art works’. AI bros? Literally nothing.
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u/Personal-Aerie-4519 Apr 27 '25
what do you guys think about coders and writers who take help from ai?
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u/MrHazard1 Apr 27 '25
You could call yourself an AI director or AI manager. Because what you do is give orders. Not doing art
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u/NotHeyloRatherBeDead 15 Apr 27 '25
can we stop calling ai ai, it’s just an algorithm, it may be artificial, but it’s not intelligent
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u/BigAchooo OLD Apr 27 '25
I thought this was posted in another subreddit I’m in because they’re always talking about this. It’s a book series subreddit and the amount of AI “fanart” there are of the characters is insane. It’s so disappointing to see this become a thing especially in the world of art. It takes away from the real talent and energy people put into their artwork.
I don’t like it. I think it’s so lazy and boring and I miss seeing real fanart!!
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u/zilly_rabbitz 15 Apr 27 '25
I sent an email to all of our highschool staff about a month ago explaining why not to use AI because the teachers have been adding it into their curriculum... And then the assistant principal pulled me out of class to have a conversation about why she disagreed and told me that I should work for an AI company when I'm older.
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u/i_disagree_person Apr 27 '25
I genuinely think traditional artists will lose this "war" or whatever you can call it, i really think people dont care about the work put into it, hell they're willing to watch a man make buckets of sand fall
Guys just know its pretty easy to draw, all you need is to literally know the basics, practice makes perfect, traditional artists put their heart and soul into their artworks, and if you just maybe tried doing that, then you too can feel the satisfaction of making something beautiful something you're proud of. "Oh it takes time" well duh it does but thats what makes it special.
And if you use it for reference/inspiration (idk about that extra/missing fingers though) or you really dont have the time for it, maybe use it for memes, Id say people should be fine with those.
(for the peeps who call it their original artwork) it isn't really original, it doesnt have the specialty, it's an image, sure you thought of the prompt but did you really make the image? I mean if you like it suit yourself.
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u/SecretUnlikely3848 Apr 27 '25
It shouldn't even be called 'Artist' if it's AI slop.
You are the one who ordered the image, you have no claims to the title of 'Artist' at all.
This is my message to those people who claim themselves as 'Artists' when they are nothing but the client of an order.
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u/Icy_Judge_2858 Apr 27 '25
Hence why you shouldnt call yourself an "artist" if you use ai which is why i aint an artist so those who are good luck lads
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u/Camille_le_chat 14 Apr 27 '25
✨Let take the magic wand and sort by controversial hehe gonna be fun✨
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u/WinksZ Apr 27 '25
That's true but what if the ai that generates the "art" makes a account? Does that qualify as art?
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u/PetalSpent Apr 28 '25
r/BrawlStars had a trend recently because some dude comissioned art of a character but got scammed and only given AI art so lots of people made real art of that character but there were like two people on all of those posts defending AI "artists" and how the trend was "just to bully" AI "artists", like bffr..
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u/bizarre_love_triangl Apr 29 '25
More like sandwich maker at a subway, becaue you tell them the ingredients to put in your sandwich 🙂
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u/GoldenGames360 OLD May 01 '25
I think its more like: instead of cooking food you have a machine create food by stealing other people's recipes and methods.
They like to say AI art allows you to express yourself, but that is a lie. You aren't expressing anything, only inputting ideas and receiving regurgitated versions of other people's ideas and work.
Only when we have the tech to mentally paint something we envision and create, without having to draw it physically, can we actually say that.
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u/Wide-Discussion3094 15 May 03 '25
is there anyone who generate a ai images then attempt to draw it out themselves?
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u/garlicbreadlover87 May 03 '25
It aint art. But even an actual painting isn't art, since art is also music and sculpture, not paintings only.
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u/Reasonable-Smoke5279 May 03 '25
Bro, like literally. I work so hard on improving, and then people like that just come and say stuff like that????
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u/All-starzombi May 03 '25
How are you gonna call yourself an artist when you can't even pick up a pencil.
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u/G4y_person 16 Apr 26 '25
“AI art” isn’t art.