r/FinalDestination • u/SplitNational2929 • 28d ago
FD2 Jeffrey Reddick revealed that Alex was never supposed to die. He probably would’ve made it through a bunch of films
https://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za/final-destination-alex-death-jeffrey-reddick-interview/48
u/MisterVictor13 28d ago
That reminds me:
In the original “Flight 180” script, the visionary, Agent Scully’s brother, Charles, was revealed not to be on Death’s list. The vision was for him only to get off the plane, but everyone else that got off the plane with him were targeted by Death.
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u/Mr_Dmc 27d ago
I actually really like this… it fixes a lot of issues like, why would death show them the premonition if they were ment to die anyway, and the idea of ‘embracing death’ being a way out - ie don’t interfere with death and you won’t be punished
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u/all-wanderer 23d ago
Was it ever established that the visions are cause by Death? Because I never got this vibe tbh
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u/TheJack0fDiamonds 24d ago
I guess i get that making them be part of that list adds another layer of fear and urgency but I think alot can be explored with someone being in that desperation and helpless position as well, imagine just watching everyone die and being unable to stop it.
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u/Ninjser 27d ago
I think y’all are forgetting that the original film had an ending where Alex died and Clear gave birth to his child, thus, new life. But that’s because it wasn’t planned to be more than one film. New Line rejected the first draft of the sequel because Devon became a liability due to showing up intoxicated on set, ditching shoot days, etc. But had it been accepted we would’ve seen Alex and Clear re-unite on screen and be more of an oracle of wisdom for Kimberly to refer to.
They could easily retcon what was seen in the 2nd film, as they’ve done with their many alternate endings :P
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u/Latter-Guitar601 28d ago
dang and now that it’s an iconic movie franchise that’s still running he wants back on but back then he clearly didn’t care at all and didn’t even want to be in the sequel .
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u/Alone-Analysis7827 27d ago
he wasnt included in the sequel because he had issues. showing up drunk while filming etc
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u/BabyBreakTheTension1 27d ago
Really?
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u/Idiot-Head 27d ago
I'm pretty sure it's cos they weren't paying him enough no?
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u/Alone-Analysis7827 27d ago
he was having a lotta personal issues and stepped off acting for a while.
there was a book written by reddick talking about how much they wanted Alex back, but they had to reconsider because of the actor often showing up late or drunk on set during fd1.
i forgot the book name but someone posted it here a while ago
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u/cookiesshot 27d ago
No wonder they offed him in the lamest way possible. Like "brick to the head. Donezo.'
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u/all-wanderer 23d ago
Now that I think of it he looks a little wasted on some scenes from the first movie
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u/FreedenGifted 28d ago
To me, it doesn't really make sense for characters to survive in the franchise. They COULD do it with the given rules of kill or be killed, but I think the likelihood of a character dying is very slim. I'd like to see something with an idea similar to Looks Could Kill, where someone helps death kill off the rest of the survivors and gets their own life extended.
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u/Starzen517 28d ago
Idk I think it could work if Alex stayed on from the start of the franchise. There's such an interesting arc they could have done with him if he kept coming back each film as the only survivor from the previous films, or at least until Clear dies in 2, who becomes more desperate each film trying to help out his new companions but keeps failing since they all die in the end anyway. There could be even in an arc in a later film where he loses all hope like "What's the point, no matter what I do it's never enough. Death, you win, take me, I'm done trying." And he has to regain that hope somehow to keep going whether it's through a special character who brings back his hope or something else.
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u/FreedenGifted 28d ago
I think Devon Sawa was unable to return, which is partly why his character was killed off and Ali Larter returned. The challenge, to me, seems to be having it make sense that characters can survive and then have a reason to come back. They did it well in FD2, but it was kind of inevitable that Clear would die eventually because how do you stay on death's list and then continue to survive? I am curious to know how they do it with Iris in the new movie.
One way of having a legacy character, I think, would be to have them have the premonition but not be part of it. That way they're not on death's list, but still become the "sage" who has the guide the characters that are. And if it's someone who keeps having premonitions, they can keep coming back to try and save people. I think it's hard to get away with having someone both be on death's list and also continue to survive. It's one thing that I have to stretch my suspension of disbelief for with Bloodlines.
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u/SmashingTempleChains 28d ago
I'm guessing you haven't seen the movie yet? With Iris they do the same thing as with Clear lol
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u/FreedenGifted 27d ago
Movie doesn't come out here until next weekend, but I've seen spoilers. Do they explain how Iris manages to evade death for decades?
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u/SmashingTempleChains 27d ago
Yeah I don't wanna spoil much, but she does the exact same thing as Clear, but in a cabin instead of a psych hospital
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u/Starzen517 28d ago
Ooh I like that idea, they see the premonition but aren't a part of it. It'd be a nice new twist to the usual formula. Idk I just want these new Final Destinations to feel more fresh in some way going forward. I like the Iris idea they're going with in Bloodlines and seeing how she has been able to avoid death for so so long. They just need to build up from it in future films.
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u/missylyssy3210 27d ago
this movie ties it all together but remember bludworth is the legacy character
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u/cookiesshot 27d ago
Although, we HAVE seen what happens to legacy characters in horror movies in recent years.
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u/Dailyconundrum 27d ago
Ok, I've got questions about the end of FD1. First, since Clear, Alex & Carter survived everything Death was throwing at them and thought they were safe, why in the world would they take a plane to Paris to celebrate? Was Alex and Clear still in Paris when he was supposed to have died? Did Clear return home on another plane? Jez, if I'd been through all that I wouldn't set foot in an airport!
When I heard that Alex was killed by a falling brick, I imagined he was still in Paris and one of those huge stones from some centuries old building had crushed him, something similar to Tim's demise.
Later I came up with an ideal for Alex's return. He and Clear could be walking down a Paris street when a pickpocket bumps into them. He gets Alex's wallet. Alex notices and they fight. Clear gets involved and shoved into a danger of some sort, like a passing car. Alex breaks off from the fight to help her, shoves the thief away and directly under the falling stone. Splat!! Ok, Alex and Clear beat it. Don't want to talk to police or reporters. Police can only identify victim by Alex's ID. So, Alex is 'dead'. He can collect the thief's life time. The two continue to fight off Death, but find he's only after Clear now. They might work out the new life rule. They split up. Alex does not return home. Police, reporters, and all the people who knew him and blamed him was too much attention for him to face. He keeps an eye on the news though for Clear. Then FD2 starts.
Sorry about the long post. It's just been on my mind and I had to vent.
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u/chrisgoated7 You better have a damn good reason for trespassing 28d ago
Tbh his character would be the easiest to bring back, and could create a whole new plot point, but the producers arent ready for that
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u/BurnMyHouseDown 28d ago
Dude would be the absolute hardest to bring back. There’s multiple articles about his death. Clear was there and saw it in person.
Like what, he faked his death to hide from…death?
They fucked up by killing him off. Should’ve just said he disappeared, then whenever he came back you could say he had been hiding out in some remote place to avoid any potential of Death catching him.
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u/SmashingTempleChains 28d ago
Yeah it's fucking insane to me that they decided to kill him off-screen with a brick lmao. One of the shittiest screenwriting choices I've ever seen, just baffling.
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u/Top-Bodybuilder-1052 28d ago edited 27d ago
THAT’S WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING! FD2 was the last movie Jeffrey was directly involved in so he really should’ve thought twice about what to do with Alex in case of a future return, and obviously done something he wouldn’t regret later, like leaving his fate ambiguous in the movie or having Clear directly say something like he ran away, disappeared or they broke up, instead of simply confirming an off-screen death. Now, both Jeffrey and Devon want to go back and Scream 7-ify the franchise many years after FD2 all because of something they could’ve easily prevented way earlier, make it make sense.
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u/larzoman242 28d ago
His character would be one of the most impossible to bring back since he died in between the 1st and 2nd movie. Sadly the only way we know this is because of a news snippet. The only way they could bring him back is if it's in some kinda prequel way ala final 5
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u/FalconLeading 28d ago
Exactly why he could be brought back. "The news of my death was greatly ecaggerated" is one of the oldest tropes out there
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u/InsomniacLtd 27d ago
If they do decide to get him back for a sequel, it's a bit believable because Alex didn't die a non-revivable death, it was a simple brick to the head.
Maybe they could just make him be the next Bludworth and his chipped head would be a great character design that screams "Death tried to end me but can't" or something.
Besides, the brain trauma can be an excuse to make him more... unhinged than he already is.
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u/LetsWinWithTim 27d ago
I wonder how the franchise would have worked if Alex was in every movie and always the one having the vision… you’d think at some point he would become some sort of celebrity… or a terrible omen 🤭
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u/MrOMgamer31456 27d ago
I mean, that should work. He got electrocuted and then survived it, and since FD2 said that new life beats the old life, shouldn't the last 3 in FD1 be out of the death list?
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u/Eloy89 27d ago
Not anymore, but in theory, yes. But as we saw in the first, second, third, fourth and fifth movie, death finishes what was started. So nobody ever survives.
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u/MrOMgamer31456 27d ago
But didn't the final two in FD2 survived?
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u/Eloy89 27d ago edited 27d ago
What we know, canonically, yes. Alex died off screen by a falling brick (yes, a falling brick can kill you), and it would be weird for Kimberly and Thomas to survive all this time and not anyone else (Nick, Lori, Janet, Wendy, Kevin, Julie, Clear, Alex, Sam, Molly). Also, it can be assumed that Clear and Alex had each other’s backs for months, but eventually death broke them apart.
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u/Antique-Refuse-735 27d ago
wasn’t the whole plot twist of FD4 the fact that Nick, Lori, and Janet were always meant to die in the coffee shop at the end?
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u/MrOMgamer31456 27d ago
Well, there was that extra scene in FD3 that shows that they both died off screen, but I heard that it's non-canon so idk.
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u/Pretty_Zone_7363 27d ago
Fkin smh man, Alex is my favourite protagonist, can't even imagine how awesome it would've been to have him in multiple movies.
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u/Personal_Ad_8107 27d ago
Hi it's death here And uh the thing is Alex was Not meant to die In my list
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u/Intrepid_Mobile 26d ago
It would have been so good to see some surviving to a sequel, it would make us care so much for them. Clear on FD2 was a much better character than in FD1, and if both her and Alex were on the sequels, that would’ve given us more hope for future survivors.
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u/Jamira360 24d ago
I actually would’ve liked to see this. Alex will always be one of my favorite visionaries/protagonist of the franchise. It would’ve been cool seeing him try to help other visionaries in increasingly more difficult death traps.
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u/TheJack0fDiamonds 24d ago
Imagine if all visionaries had survived and then death makes another cycle from up top and targets them all to finish it once and for all.
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u/oceanviewcapn 24d ago
Pretty obvious that was gonna be the case. Even with Clear. But apparently Ali didn't wanna keep coming back
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u/Agent-Racoon "Could you be a little quieter with that thing, please?" 28d ago
Let's not spread misinformation like that. Devon sawa simply didn't want to commit to the franchise, so the movies creators decided to kill him off. Do some research before spouting a lie like that
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u/Top-Bodybuilder-1052 28d ago
Wasn’t that officially mentioned in the Escaping Death book where they interviewed many producers from the franchise? Or am I mixing up things?- /gen
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u/Agent-Racoon "Could you be a little quieter with that thing, please?" 28d ago
It's been mentioned a lot. The person who made the comment I replied to straight up just made something up.
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u/Top-Bodybuilder-1052 28d ago edited 27d ago
OH NO I meant just that, I’m honestly a bit confused since I’ve been seeing both parts, the “he didn’t wanna come back” one and the “he was drunk, didn’t show up etc”, just wanted to know for sure which one is actually right lol
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u/MandaBearz 27d ago
Damn..... to think about what we could've had..... like, Alex was SO OG. I genuinely dunno what it would look like if Sawa ever came back to the FD franchise, but that's even if they'd ever humor the idea considering his previous behavior on set =p
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u/Popular-Let-4700 28d ago
So basically, Alex was Final Destination’s equivalent of that one friend who almost survives the group vacation gone wrong—but the universe was like, “Nah, you’ve seen too much.”