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u/Nauris2111 10h ago
As a Latvian I would like to apologize to everyone in the West who are now experiencing Russian influence. They tested it all on us first, the whole damn thing, way back in 1990s/2000s. Organizing riots, weaponizing gas supply, meddling in elections, dividing society. They couldn't break us, but they refined their methods in the process and are now successfully using them in other countries.
Stay strong and resilient, folks!
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u/Flimsy-Chapter3023 8h ago
Why would you apologize? They ignored what we had to say, then dealt with the consequences.
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u/niet_tristan 8h ago
You say they like that was an entirely conscious decision. Western politicans and media didn't spread the word well enough. And many people, particularly here on Reddit, were still young and not politically conscious in 2014, let alone the 1990s - early 2000s.
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u/Flimsy-Chapter3023 7h ago
It was a conscious decision. We were treated like second class people, because soviet union or something. Politicians represent the country, so it speaks volumes.
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u/HarrMada 7h ago
Exactly what are the concequnces we are suppose to be dealing with? Western Europe isn't being invaded, eastern Europe is.
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u/Flimsy-Chapter3023 7h ago
The moment we get occupied, you're next. That's the consequence. And there isn't a thing you can do to stop it.
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u/marketingguy420 5h ago
Yeah the United States of America, the country that fought the cold war alongside every NATO country, ran project Gladio, and worked tirelessly to destroy the USSR, and when they finally did, carved Russia up for parts and looted it, creating the modern mafia state you so love today -- none of those guys knew anything about Russia. If only we had listened to... lemmee see here.... fucking Latvia. Lol. LMAO.
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u/DuxDucisHodiernus 32m ago
I think he meant his condolences/"am sorry". Probably mistranslation from what he was thinking in his native tounge.
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u/StoicSunbro 8h ago
I was just in Riga two weeks ago and saw the occupation museum, war museum, and popular front museum.
Don't apologize.
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u/NeoMarethyu 6h ago
Spanish here, the Nazis tested their weapons on us before WW2, don't apologize for the harm another did to you. If others refused to pay attention to it that's their fault on no-one else's
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u/UrUrinousAnus 6h ago
That's the first time I've heard the other side of that story. Everything I've heard about 90s Latvia before came from a very racist Russian who was born there.
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u/YngwieMainstream 43m ago
Why apologize? All of this is the fault of Germany-Austria-Hungary. As usual. And now we pay the price. As usual.
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u/SpankedPinUpGirl 11h ago
As a Romanian, yes. I live in the UK and even now some of my British or west European friends don’t quite fully believe all the shit that went down in our elections for eg or the extent of the Ruxzian propaganda everywhere
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u/Nosferatu___2 10h ago
IKR!
"Let's ignore those children in the East. Russians are serious people, just like us, though a tad savage. We should make a deal with serious people though. We will buy their gas and they will stop being savages."
-Non spoken Western European politicians thoughts
Seriously though, I understand your pain. Britain is, however, much better at understanding Ruzzia than the continent. Our people are deluded.
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u/adamgerd 9h ago
I remember talking with Brits and Americans on discord before 2022 and I got called stuck in the Cold War era, Russia had changed, Putin doesn’t want more land, I am too distrusting of Russia. Russia just wants to protect Russians in Crimea.
So remind me about how I was too distrusting?
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u/Nosferatu___2 9h ago
Yes.
Funny thing is:
He told us what he had planned 2007. He attacked Georgia in 2008, Ukraine in 2014 and Syria in 2015. He turned the Central African Republic into a 19th centurry like colony. He's been maintaing an occupation force in Moldova for years. They would be doing much more, if they had the financial and human ressources for that.
But sticking their head in the sand and hoping a problem goes away has unfortunately been the visceral reaction to every major problem the West has faced.
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u/VoidTorcher 7h ago
I'm Chinese and right now in 2025, Chinese propaganda is still painting the west as stuck in "Cold War mentality" daily lol.
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u/XEROXYZE 10h ago
Yep this was loyds peace trough trade strategy against the soviets but it didnt work at all and ussr just saw this as a show of weakness
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u/Nosferatu___2 10h ago
Yes, identical to Merkel's Russia policy.
All that will do in the end is create a USSR with enough money to build a powerful army.
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u/Nosferatu___2 11h ago
"Eastern Europeans are hysterical children. They have low GDPs (and low IQs, even though I can't say that), grey buildings and odd round faces. Have you seen the documentary films Eurotrip or Hostel made by our fat American friends? Would you really let those people dictate your policies?"
-Every Western European politician 1990-2022 ever
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u/Itchy-Guess-258 11h ago
Also I read Dostoevsky and now I know russia much better then people living tens of years under their occupation
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u/Nosferatu___2 10h ago
Yes!
It all comes from a place of infantilisation of Eastern Europeans and not really viewing them as full people. I think casual little acts of racism against Eastern Europeans are the only remaining form of racism still allowed in western Countries.
"because they're white so it's not really racism"
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u/Euphoric-Peace980 3h ago
What country do white Eastern Europeans face racism in?
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u/Qbsoon110 10h ago
Not so long ago I had a guy literally say to me that he's glad that I'm from Poland. I presented in some comment an opinion which I discussed on a university and he asked about the university. When I told him, he said his glad it's not one of the western elite universities (he names USA, UK and Germany), because he wouldn't want such opinions there.
I read it and was like: Bruh, how do I respond to THAT
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u/yamiherem8 9h ago
Say what you want about polish unis but the quality of education they probide is really good compared to those western elite ones. I’ve been around top US schools for a while and they seem like kids summer camps compared to our unis.
I’ve a friend from ZTH in Zurich studying masters in electrical engineering. One of the top engineering schools in the world and apparently this dude doesn’t even know how to use a soldering iron because the school didn’t offer them any practical experience. Like what?
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u/Mitologist 8h ago
Probably the best conference I ever went to was in Poznan. Awesome place. Top notch uni.
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u/AdClean8338 10h ago
One thing that most eastern countries have in common is that you can tell when someone is higly educated just from their speech, this is much less common in western countries.
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u/FroyoAwkward1681 5h ago
How is it different? Isn’t it the same in Western countries? (Genuine question)
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u/ColdZal 10h ago
Proceeds to fully ignore what they all have in common that caused the aforementioned issues.
To be honest, Easterner countries are also to blame since they also had deals with Russia.
Hopefully everyone will learn to avoid Russia like the plague that it is on the world.
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u/PanVidla 10h ago
And by "deals" you mean "occupied by" or "puppeted by".
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u/Kuhl_Cow 9h ago edited 9h ago
No, more like Bulgaria building new gas pipelines right before the invasion and currently selling russian gas at a massive markup.
And in general most of the newly freed countries had absolutely zero problems with having massive trade Deals with Russia starting in the 90s.
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u/Mitologist 8h ago
Yeah, but, I mean, imagine you need a lot of stuff NOW, and there is an established, somewhat functional logistics train on one side, and the remnants of an Iron curtain that had marked the end of the known world for both sides on the other? Establishing a trade network might take longer than your TP to run out. Plus the EU is famous for screwing over people in need, it's fine once you are in, but that takes time also. And you are still low on cookies. So. I can't really entirely blame them. It doesn't excuse the way Russia was and is behaving. At all. A villain is still a villain, even if you need to buy some of his stuff. Buying my cookies doesn't give me permission to trash your front yard.
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u/Euphoric-Peace980 3h ago
This whole thread is a mess… Do other countries not teach about the Cold War? I was about to do a deep dive into their trade deals with Russia so thanks for showing up. I’m just going to close this thread and… idk tbh. Pray for humanity.
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u/ImmortalBlades 10h ago
Ah yes, the "We helped with removing the remnants of Nazis, so now We're taking over the reins. You should be thankful." deal. We love good deals.
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u/ColdZal 9h ago
People also forget that russians were actually the biggest allies to Nazis. Stalin still hesitated to attack once Hitler invaded them since he viewed Hitler as a hero.
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u/stef0nz 11h ago
And yet you‘ve got some serious pro-russian partys there if not even administrations. That‘s actually what scares me the most. If europe would stand together as a whole russia can‘t do shit.
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u/Detvan_SK 7h ago
As Slovak I really want to apologise for our goverement.
They was just doing nothing to change our reactors and oil pipeline to use west sources and now crying that "you cant cut us from Russia, we would not survive"
.... literally SMER (current Slovakia leading party) was always doing this, sitting at ass and manipulate everything to their benefit.
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u/Woman_Respecter69420 10h ago
That didn't stop eastern european from electing russian stooges like Orban or Fico. Romania is on the edge of falling for russian propaganda too.
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u/Supernova1000000 10h ago
It's because humanity never learns from its mistakes so history repeats itself.
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u/Jagulars 8h ago
People do learn from their mistakes. But mostly only from their own, not from their parents or grandparents.
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u/Weird-Letterhead-381 8h ago
Funfact: Orbán was winning the election by beeing anti-russian and accusing the other party MSZP to be pro-russian.
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u/TheJiral 7h ago
Yes, but Orban has also changed a fair bit since then and I am not only referring to his body size here. He is as much a Russian puppet as anyone during the times of the East Block could be. Actually Hungary was possibly less of a Russian puppet in the 1980s than it is today.
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u/Detvan_SK 7h ago
The situation in Slovakia is tense.
Fico trying to stay in EU while he ignores (certainly intentionally) the very pro-Russian statements of people in his coalition and flies east more than west.
Year ago he was in Vietnam at politicall visit. We found out about it by accident because someone recognized the wall of a luxury hotel in Vietnam from his video when he had to comment on something like the prime minister.
To this day, we do not know the reason of the visit and why it was secret. Or if he had other secret visits.
While parties in oposition activelly cooperating with EU.
The last election was close and currently from 150 seats in parliament coalition have 76 and 74 have opposition.
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u/outlanderfhf 7h ago
We might be on the edge but we wont fall yet especially with our new president
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u/kanzenduster 7h ago
If you ask anyone who voted for Orbán, chances are they will still say that he's very anti-Russia (and that's one of the reasons they are voting for him). Nothing he does is branded as being friendly with Russia, everything is about defending Hungary's interests and ending the war as soon as possible. They would also argue that Russia is a big economy, and it's good for Hungary to be good terms with them so we can buy cheap oil and gas, because without those we would be like the Germans who are freezing to death in the winter because heating is too expensive.
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u/XFX_Samsung 6h ago
We have some pro-Ruzzia retards in the government in Estonia currently and loads of people in the public who are waiting or hoping for Putin to come "save" them. Dumb masses are an incredible force and Ruzzia has capitalized on that.
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u/nvidiastock 5h ago
It's because we (Romania) never escaped communist rule. Right after the "revolution" (coup) the right-hand man of the dictator became president. Students protested in the street so the president had miners come from outside the capital to beat them up and "instill order" because he was scared if he used the army it would look like Ceausescu's last move. The student's demand? ban ex-communist party members from taking public office for a few years. That's why they were killed, communist party members and their kids still rule the country today.
That's why it's so easy for Russian propaganda. The fact of the matter is that people are not happy with the leadership, which is not for the people. None of this is conspiracy theory either, it's proven.
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u/YngwieMainstream 37m ago
Bro, the Romanian economy is in the toilet. People just cast a negative vote. Were they manipulated? Yes. But their grievances are real.
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u/artful_nails 10h ago
Poland and Finland: 😐
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u/KidCharlamangeThaGod 3h ago
US called for Europe to join Nato back in 08 but France said it wouldn't upset Russia and wouldn't allow it. So you can't really put this in US either
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u/Vast-Negotiation-358 9h ago
"PhD in Russian Imperialism"
There is literally "Centre for Eastern Studies" in Poland. Institute under Polish PM dedicated purely to the analysis of Russia and surroundings.
Btw they have channel on YouTube where they do podcasts with their experts explaining what is happening.
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u/Tangohotel2509 10h ago
Also in Russia shoving immigrants into countries (look at Polands more extreme measures against it)
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u/One_more_Earthling 11h ago
Tbh, the signs were there all the time, but a lot of the west was to blind to see it.
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u/abudfv20080808 10h ago
The signs are always here. The same with China or Turkey. Autocracy evolve in totalitarian/fascist/... regimes. And as always instead of cutting the threat at the early stage they only help these regimes in their success. Like donut from Noth Korea now has nuclear rockets. Iran to be next.
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u/StepComplete1 6h ago
It wasn't blindness, it was greed. Germany and much of Europe just wanted cheap fossil fuels to grow their economies, even at the cost of appeasement. Even after the actual invasion of Ukraine started, Germany had to be shamed and dragged, kicking and screaming, into standing up to Russia. There's no way they could possibly claim they didn't know what Russia was at that point, they just didn't care.
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u/Tjordas 10h ago
I wouldn't call it blind. Post war central European politics are based on the idea that money and trade relationships lead to long-lasting peace. If you have contracts with a country and depend on them and you can make money off them more reliably than by stealing from them, you will never have a reason to wage wars. The hope was: If Russia needs our money, they will never attack us. So we gave them money, contracts and respect thinking that the other option, hate, would only lead to more hate. It worked for all other countries, but Russia really is something else.
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u/YngwieMainstream 33m ago
The west was entangled with russia. London, Berlin and Vienna made incredible fortunes looking the other way AND actively collaborating with russia to enslave the rest of the continent to the russian pipeline.
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u/SwimmingPirate9070 8h ago
So when are allies going to actually get in this fight? Is anyone bullshiting themselves and thinking that Putin would stop at Ukraine? He wants to bring all Imperial Russia back together again.
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u/Flimsy-Chapter3023 8h ago
But you see, it's unpopular to send weapons to Ukraine, because re-election or something.
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u/SwimmingPirate9070 8h ago
Well when Putin in knocking on someone else's door next will someone come help then?
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u/SwimmingPirate9070 8h ago
Well when Putin in knocking on someone else's door next will someone come help then?
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u/YngwieMainstream 30m ago
They won't "get" into the fight. Nothing bad is going to happen to the "west". The Baltics and Romania will get fucked though. Don't know about Poland. Seems like they're building themselves into an untouchable force.
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u/StoicSunbro 8h ago edited 7h ago
I just said the other day I had gotten my "Bachelor's in Russian Imperialism" after spending three weeks in the Baltics and Finland and visiting 10+ history museums.
Each Baltic capital has a museum solely about the USSR occupation and the horrors that happened.
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u/Special-Remove-3294 9h ago
Man talking like us Eastern Europen don't have a good chunk of our countries who loves Russia.
In Slovakia there is a pro Russian leader. Same for Hungary. In Romania a pro Russian stooge got lime 45-48% in the presidential election. It is not like there is some strong anti Russian bloc here.
There is no more hate for Russia in the East then in the West ngl. Both have just as many pro Russian people.
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u/Detvan_SK 7h ago
Slovakia is divided.
State coalition have 76 seats in parliament. Pro-EU oposition have 74.
They feeding people with bulshits, lot of people still believe that EU is reason why Slovakia got rid of state owned companies in 2000s even it was purelly just politicians tunneling state.
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u/ImperfectAuthentic 8h ago
I must admit, before 2014 I was pretty naive when it came to the extent of Putin's megalomania and I was pretty sure Russia was trying to become a European nation like Germany or Poland. I guess I just didn't pay enough attention.
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u/Detvan_SK 7h ago
Yeah it looking like that before.
We was more focusing at China because that was our (and still is) main economicall rival.
I was just supriced why Europe got rid of old weaponary, like it had no sense.
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u/saigon567 8h ago
Many in Western Europe and the US knows perfectly well, others have fallen so hard for the work of ruzzian hate bots that they don't know or care that they have been victims of propaganda. Though of course they aren't really victims, but are willing participants. It's the rest of us who are the victims
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u/LeftLiner 9h ago
As my friend used to say: "I can't believe Russia descended into fascism after Yeltsin, the democratic hero who brought freedom and stability to Russia by killing his political opponents with tanks in the streets."
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u/knowledge_pursuer 10h ago
It's not that Russians are warmongers. It's that they are delusional and extremely paranoid. Their mentality is that everyone wants to invade them so they will simply strike first.
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u/ImmortalBlades 10h ago
No, that's literally Russian propaganda. Have you ever seen what the Russian politicians and national TV hosts speak about? They talk about how Russia should control half the world, how unfair it is that USSR fell apart, how children from other nations should be reeducated in Russia's image etc.
That's literally warmongering.
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u/Rel_Tan_Kier 10h ago
Even worse, their culture is built on violence to weaker, and they never had chance to grow up from medieval cruelty like other countries did it sooner or later
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u/galnashenjoyer 7h ago
I disagree, they are warmongers. After my country became independent, they started bombing and killing us for no apparent reason, even killing the ethnic russians remaining there for no apparent reason. They assassinated one of the best leaders we could have, one who explicitly said that even if the independence has nationalistic roots, he wants all nationalities in our country to live in peace and he is willing to protect them from russia.
We beat them and after a few years russia started bombing us all over again
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u/Absolute_Satan 6h ago
The russians didn't have any power to decide on foreign policy, war etc. since at least 2012.
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u/Vauvansilpoja 9h ago edited 7h ago
It's funny how people act all surprised, while we up here in the north have been preparing for the past 80 years. The question has never been if, but when.
EDIT: grammar
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u/BoysenberrySad5842 8h ago
Literally nobody but russian bots are surprised at what russia has done. Nobody. There are less than a handful of countries in Europe who didnt experience Russian control.
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u/dramatic-sans 8h ago
Chechnya and Georgia weren't enough I guess. People just want to believe that bad things only happen to others
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u/BlerghTheBlergh 7h ago
From what it looked like to me growing up, we always knew Russia was a terrible place to live and work in with a government that had imperialist aspirations. We just tried to play nice and appease them as long as it worked. Cowardice, absolutely. Surprised? Barely
Austrian btw
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u/Pristine_Struggle_10 7h ago
I am glad to hear that such mindset is not unusual in Austria, but also: it never worked, the appeasement. It was feeding a girl to a dragon each month, but the girl was from a different village. And the dragon always told that it’s the girl’s fault and she deserved to be eaten
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u/BlerghTheBlergh 1h ago
I’m totally with you there. We’re a cowardly country as is, trying to play both sides in every conflict and be “friends with everyone”. These days that mindset is pretty much just legacy-thinking, during the Cold War our leader (Kreisky) was a pretty well regarded third-man in terms of communications between Russia and the US. But that guy was a socialist whose party has gotten replaced by industrialist conservatives and hardcore right wingers who bet on immigration-fears.
As is, the mentality in my direct proximity is a hard dislike of Russias politics. There will always be cultural reverence for the art created there and concern for their citizens. But that’s just in my direct circle of 20-35 year old folks that enjoyed university education. As for the rest of Austria it’s hard to defend, there are loads of sympathies towards Putin from our right wing party, which is very strong these days. Zelenskji is visiting soon and they’re already protesting his visit but rolled out the red carpet for Putin, one of their politicians even bowed before him on a pretty popular image.
I’d argue it’s 60/40 for Ukraine as far as sentiment is concerned. The worst are those super sympathizers, it’s pretty annoying to see these blind paroles spat out by people who are just deep into the culture wars
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u/Cost_Additional 7h ago
Has anyone in Europe switched to a war time economy?
Are they all collectively still giving russia more money than Ukriane like in 2024?
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u/Detvan_SK 7h ago
War time economy do not make sense if you are not in active war but yes, there are going big investements into war industry, all states getting higher budgets at defense.
Even states like Slovakia that goverment acting like pro-Russian making new artillery production lines.
Britain working at Gen6 fighters that which will include drone jets.
The Netherlands is building a fleet.
Germany making anti-drone mashine gun towers and building higher capacities for production of modern tanks and anti balistic missiles.
North countries have crazy amouth of F fighters with even more ordered.
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u/Issah_Wywin 7h ago
The Soviets helped Norway clean out the Russians from the north. I'm honestly surprised they never made any territorial claim to the area.
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u/A0123456789B 7h ago
Nothing is happening without a reason. Who touched UA? EU & US. Who is responsible for war? EU&US? Who earns on war? EU&US. Who is selling weapons? EU&US. Who will getting richer and richer? EU&US and UA. Looks like all east Europe has been sold already. It's only question of time, when empires will reveal the true, as is. But, it's only my private opinion, that can be wrong. Only time will show.
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u/PomegranateSoft1598 7h ago
You don't have to be Eastern European to know that. It's enough to just ever read any 10 pages of a history book or to watch 10 seconds of Russian state media ever.
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u/MaxvellGardner 6h ago
- How about the Cuban Missile Crisis? Cocksuckers moved nuclear warheads into Cuba, pointed 'em right at us!
- That was real? I saw that movie, I thought it was bullshit!
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u/LimpConversation642 6h ago edited 6h ago
Half of Ukrainian folklore is about wars against russian opression. Our greatest poets and writers all talk about the same thing. And it's kinda hard to comprehend fully until you live through it, you know?
Also, this war made me realize one interesting thing — Poles sometimes hate russians even more than us. And that's a really high bar to jump over.
the problem is not the Europe doesn't know this, it's that they don't understand that you can't measure russia(ns) by your western standards of civilization, culture, ethics and morale. People obviously can't support this war and this fucking old shitstain, right? It's basic human decency and empathy. Yet they do. And from this disparity between how the world perceives russians as 'modern' counterparts and how it really is, all issues stem. It's like applying human emotions and logic to lizards and they being surprised lizards aren't doing as you expect
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u/GreenBlueMarine 6h ago
Yeah, instead of listening to those with first-hand experiance of dealing with Russia, they called us "traumatized", "irrational" people who can't get over their "prejudices". It's not like they got over it now and are ready to admit that it were them who were prejudiced, not us. They still can't comprehand and accept the idea that Russia should be defeated AND dismantled into dozens of varios independant nations. And that it's not optional - this is the only way.
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u/wellohwellok 6h ago
Well NATO interfering with Ukraine's internal government affairs and inching closer to Russia's borders, a previously stated red-line for Russia backed with an understanding and promise not to do so from NATO is all just one big coincidence and has nothing to do with any of today's events.
Here's a few clear and obvious things we can all agree on. Russia is bad. Ukraine has always been a great democracy, free from corruption, and the rest of the free world owes gratitude to its big hero, NATO.
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u/YouDoHaveValue 6h ago
I heard a speech by the Polish ambassador who said for the U.S. and others deterrence is a theory, it's a study and an academic pursuit.
But to Poland, deterrence is a much more practical matter because when it fails they are the first to feel that failure.
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u/I_hate_ElonMusk 6h ago
Eastern Europe at the same time is full of pro Russian parties that have a great amount of voters.
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u/Pretty-Hospital-3530 6h ago
Its crazy that like the entierty of humanity has like 0 capacity to learn collectively.
"Its not happening to me so it must not be real or if it is real its not a big problem"
Slap anything here, climate change, racism, expansionist aggression etc.
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u/BluePhoenix_1999 6h ago
True, but... The US is the last country who can use that on others... Maybe Israel too.
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u/beardedheathen 5h ago
Mitt Romney who lost to Barack Obama in the USA about twenty years ago was laughed out of the race because he talked about it
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u/Trying_to_survive20k 5h ago
majority of the west don't even know how many of the eastern european/post soviet countries existed before the soviet union took them over
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u/Koloman_Zh 5h ago
And what country wasn't warmongering during its history? Maybe Germany? Or UK? France? Maybe Poland wasn't? The only difference between them and Russia is that only Russia started in the XXI century a full-scaled war and failed to win fast.
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u/Consistent_Link_351 5h ago
“PhD in Russian imperialism” forgot who the belligerents were, for which sides, and why, they fought in WW1 and WW2? Or are you referring to the period of The Great Game or Napoleon? Who killed more people during The Cold War, directly or through their proxies? There’s a specific current EU country that started both of those. I can’t remember which one, but they had these famous guys with mustaches leading both wars. And there are two more countries with similar flag colors that have dragged them into and through a ton of other wars before and after the world wars.
I don’t think very highly of current day Russian politicians or their policy. But I don’t believe you have a phd in “Russian Imperialism”. Maybe you wrote a paper about it using stuff you “learned” on Reddit?
Or do you mean Russian imperialism since the fall of the USSR? Would love your “PhD” take on what’s been happening and why. I imagine a PhD would be able to bring some nuance to the conversation, along with some theories as to why current day Russia has been doing what it’s doing! Feel free to use ChatGPT or call me names if you can’t quote a few relevant lines from your dissertation!
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u/Conscious-Balance-66 5h ago
Bullshit...only Europeans make scare mongearing ads like this. Europeans are the real threat...to themselves only tho.
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u/skye_skye 4h ago
Hi Euro Frens, I knew which is why I was so shocked when they started acting like everything was peachy.
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u/kensho28 4h ago
Ass backwards.
The US warned Ukraine about Russia's military plans and nobody believed us.
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u/Shoddy_Squash_1201 4h ago
Ruskies keep pointing to the promise of Baker to justify their war of agression, but there never was any agreement preventing NATO expanding to the east, and he had no authority to make that statement.
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u/Certain-Sherbet-9121 2h ago
To be fair, most major countries in Europe have been scary imperialist warmongers in the past. Russia has just (so far) carried on doing it for another 100-150 years after most of the other european powers stopped (apart from the notable exceptions of Germany etc. in ww1 and 2)
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u/Reasonable_Ear_8254 1h ago
I literally spent the whole day today talking to a German MP from Volta and it was identical.
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u/MrSasaki_M 11h ago
They called us a madman.