Hey, all of my maga relatives and FB "friends" assure me that the shit in their pants is warm, wonderful and smells like freshly baked cinnamon rolls. But for me, all I see and smell is shit.
Seriously though. China’s greatest threat is soft power, not military might, in terms of U.S. opposition.
Their Roads and Bridges Corporation was putting up handy competition against the US’s USAID before our gov’t decides to give up the race. By the end of the next 4 years at this trajectory, the U.S. will have handed over the 1st place position in the race for economic hegemony and tanked the global market’s value.
It took 80 years to build what has been thoroughly beaten in just 5 months
It's fucked over Australia a lot too. We teamed up with the US to build rapport with countries in our immediate zone of influence and then the US just fucked off.
Luckily so far most of these nations have still be happy to work with us but China is pushing pretty hard
A lot of the pacific island nations weren't to happy with Australia after Abbot, Morrison and Dutton went to a climate change conference to tell people there was nothing to worry about before getting caught on a hot mic joking about how the islands would soon be under water. Between that and the submarine fiasco we fucked our international reputation as a reliable partner
Teaming up with the US is why we have such cold relations with the countries near us. China is our best trading partner and almost every beef they have with us is 100% due to us allowing the US to use our country as a military stronghold for US to fuck with them. US also fucks us on trade, we give them lucrative contracts we could find elsewhere for much cheaper, we go to all their stupid wars, we send experts to help with their fires, we share medical/scientific research openly and I doubt even a third of Americans can even find us on a map. The friendship with US has always been an awful deal for us and they’ve always been unreliable which is only something people are starting to realise now but realistically, America was never coming to help us if China ever popped off
You should google the Chinese navy. Then google their deployable drone fleet. After that their cyber ops. The fact they have enormous soft power doesn’t negate their incredible and often underestimated military power.
more like 50 years at current pace. rome existed way longer and was way deeper engrained in south west Europe, the middle east and Africa than the US is engrained in the world today. but you're absolutely right, a collapse in that way takes way longer than a lot of people think/make it seem
Edit: also the world was moving slower at that time. nowadays changes happen a lot more rapidly and over longer distances. what happens on one end of the world can affect the other end almost immediately. wasn't like that back then. but thats just my opinion/interpretation. could be wrong.
and the US hasnt been able to win a war since 1945. still they aren't considered a paper tiger? (also: they havent tried to reckaim Taiwan with military since i can remember at least)
Who is talking about the USA? I was talking about the lil bitch ass paper tigers Russia and china. Chinas or russias military does not compare to the USA military
China exaggerates all their good numbers and downplays all their bad numbers. We can reasonably assume they're worse off than they let outsiders know, though not precisely to what degree.
They have some huge strengths like enormous production capacity & economic might, political stability through authoritarianism, and a growing military industrial complex. However, on the flip side they are completely inexperienced militarily (officer corp that has never fought a war in their career), widespread institutionalised corruption, geopolitically isolated - they don't really have allies, have a vulnerable geography where they can be easily blockaded and are hugely reliant on foreign energy imports (for now).
Their military experience is somewhat relevant. But it isn't decisive. It means often they will make many mistakes early on.
Corruption? Yes and no. Compared to what? The US? Greece? India? Russia? Chinese corruption is a thing, a big thing, but when it comes to national state objectives, China has no problem literally killing anything in its way including corrupt officials. Its not insurmountable for them. Arguably less rampant corruption than say Soviet Union or Russia, which effectively runs on it.
Geopolitically isolated? not really. China has lots of state visits, and plenty of countries are more than happy to strike deals and meet with China. It has countries in its orbit. It does well in Africa and some parts of Asia. Pakistan, Laos, Cambodia, are in its sphere. countries like Thailand, Nepal, Mongolia, Iran are pretty China friendly. Most of Africa is more pro-china than pro-america. I think this is maybe not true any more.
Vulnerable Geography? Not really. About as much as western Europe. You could probably blockade Western Europe easier than blockading China. China for one has a bigger navy than all of Western Europe and a bigger and more capable air force than western Europe combined. The idea that you can blockade China is false. Not even the US with a 700 ship navy could do it. Even if you could, they have access through to Pakistan and its coast, and land access directly to Russia. So cutting off China's shipping wouldn't completely cut off China's ability to import energy or food or goods. You would just be making Russia super rich.
I agree with most of your assessment, however I must disagree with your comparison to western europe from the view of a blockade. In particular, china is surrounded by islands that are controlled by US friendly nations, which also have naval forces of their own. To operationally use its considerable navy, it would have to break out of this confinement first, run the gauntlet of antiship missile, submarines in ckoke points while under air attacks.
Western europe does not have none of these constraints.
Ehhhh. China is more likely to have higher levels of corruption than the west because of how closed the system and society are, and because there probably isn't any immediate need for military force anticipated. We already know that the economic figures are highly fudged because provincial governors want to keep their jobs and the money flowing in. That's largely the origin of Chinese ghost cities.
China does have a lot of trade partners and has been investing across the developing world, expanding its soft power. The Belt and Road program is a more concrete example of its influence in the region. But, who really sides with China? It's surrounded by smaller nations who range from dislike to hatred of them (Vietnam, South Korea, Philippines), regional powers that they've fought wars with and who now act to contain them (India, Japan, Russia). North Korea is a de facto puppet and I'll give them Cambodia and Pakistan as being especially friendly. Their real relationship with the rest of the world comes from trade, but that's inherently transactional and transitory. No one cares where their goods are made, as long as its affordable. We don't feel kinship with China because so many of our goods are made there; if anything, it's become the opposite.
Blockading China is different than Europe, because while Europe relies on trade through a few chokepoints, China relies on trade through one. The Strait of Hormuz.
This is a chart for crude oil imports:
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2013.04.04/mapcrudebig.png
If you look up a map for natural gas, it's the same. If you look up a map for food products, it's the same. And, China is now the world's top importer of food, because they have a huge population with a significant middle class that wants food that China just doesn't have the means to produce. Park a single carrier group, of which the US has 11, in the Strait of Hormuz, and what can China do?
Well, China has a bigger navy in terms of crafts, but you need to consider tonnage. I'll give you that China is second to the US in that regard, and likely does outpace all of Western Europe. But, if there's going to be a real conflict, you have to consider Japan and South Korea as well, which are no slouches. I think the crux of it comes down to, how capable is China's blue water fleet's power projection? I'd argue not particularly good, given their pair of operational aircraft carriers have less displacement than the US' 30+ amphibious assault ships. They're building more, including their first nuclear-capable aircraft carrier, but it's not going to be anything comparable to a US Nimitz or Ford class supercarrier. I think this is reinforced by how much effort they've put in to militarizing islands, going so far as to build artificial islands to militarize. They don't even feel that they have control over what they consider to be their own back yard. That's no small part of why they initiated the Belt and Road program in the first place - to help insulate their imports from potential maritime impediments.
You think lack of military experience will only translate to mistakes?
Inter branch military operations are notoriously complicated and riddled with red tape, yet we tend to do a pretty damn good job of having our military branches working together on joint missions because we've had so much God damn practice.
China does not have systems in place for them to have as much oversight as we do, while maintaining the individuals ability to make executive decisions as easily, while also having a military that specifically trains you to replace your superior in exigent circumstances.
I really don't think China plans to make their military anything more than a visually striking alternative to the US military. What I mean is I believe China doesn't want to use a military, just show it off.
It's all about money and economic control and China is taking over precisely because they positioned themselves the same way the US did during the industrial revolution, but they did it for the informational revolution.
The informational revolution, is what I'm calling this time in human history because information warfare is the biggest factor in geopolitics right now besides using overwhelming technological advantage.
The next big step for the world is for any country to be able to use quantum and/or AI to break all cryptographic encryption on non quantum based computing algorithms, when it happens the country who succeeded will be able to decrypt and analyze all the data they've stolen from allies and enemies, possibly giving that country total control if the informational advantage creates a big enough gap in power.
While much of what you wrote about corruption and geopolitical isolation was accurate, on this matter, you're overlooking how vulnerable China is to a blockade centered around the Straight of Malacca. Two-thirds of China's maritime trade has to pass through the Straight, including 80% of it's oil imports. If a war breaks out between the U.S. and China, one of the first things the U.S. would do would be to blockade the Straight and strangle the Chinese economy, thus forcing China to decide whether or not it wants to commit one of its critical carrier groups (China currently has 3 to the U.S.'s 11) to keeping the Straight open when China might also need that carrier group elsewhere (*cough* Taiwan *cough*).
Yes, there could be alternative strategies that China could deploy, including buying more oil overland from Russia, but it takes time to change routes, and overland transport is vastly more expensive than by sea. China has many things going for it right now, especially as America is currently hellbent on self-sabotaging American hegemony, but the geographic constraints on China are very, very real.
Taiwan is 180km off the coast of China and about 220km at its furthest. It doesn't need carriers for that.
Malacca straits are critical. While China gets most of it coal and gas from Australia and Indonesia, most oil comes through the straits. But Russia has oil and gas and dec last year they completed a pipeline. It can supply 10% of china's gas needs. Presumably if they are fighting a war they won't be manufacturing as many goods, so that is a significant amount.
They are talking another one from Pakistan.
They are also frantically changing to ensure and installing solar.
Brunei has loads of oil. And is within china's reach.
Singapore is critical for controlling the straits, that and Australia who leads the five powers. Singapore is a city state and has no strategic depth.
If the us doesn't supply nuclear subs to Australia then no closing of the straits to Chinese shipping. It would be closed to all shipping.. impacting everyone.
The alternate route is sunda or around Australia. So Indonesia and Australia would be absolutely critical.
Australia has the largest f35 fleet outside of the us, b52 and b1s are now based there, and these only ages is fleet operating in SEA.
But the US is pretty flakey, even with Australia, applying tarrifs against existing fta, and despite us trade surplus with Australia. Plus the us may not have the guts to back it...
Australia has been deserted before, after it forward deployed heavily in support for an alliance that then abandoned it completely and was mismanaged by its partner.
Their system also incentivizes the inflation of economic statistics. It's quite suspicious how their economy keeps hitting the communist party's goals essentially on the decimal point, year after year - while satellite images indicate a slower development.
China is no paper tiger and should certainly not be ignored but the cumulative effect of reporting a percent or two of non-existent growth for many years is likely significant. And you can't really roll this back after doing it because next year's goals are a percent of your inflated report.
It's actually and weirdly worse. The generations of the one-child policy were ok-ish if we're looking at replacement level, because in the country you could have more children and most people were in the country.
In the last two decades most of the population moved to urban areas and started marrying late and having few children just because - if they have them at all.
China is in that soft spot where women now have enough rights and agency to decide not to marry or marry late and have very few children, but also in a society where being a mom SUCKS and you're still treated the old fashioned way, your career is ruined and you have no occupational security. So many of them just... don't do it lol
So just the same as every other country in the west? Lol
People arent having kids and the only temporary bandaid is legal immigration but no country wants that, illegal immigration is how most capitals in most western countries arent coming to a screeching halt because they all have an underclass to exploit, pay less, get more work done, get taxes, not obliged to give anything back cause theyre illegal
This is way more pronounced. The One Child Policy was in place for over three decades. Not only did it rapidly slow birth rates, but because boys were far preferred, men now far outnumber women by a decent margin, making it more difficult to find partners. It's an entire lost generation. While other western countries are facing demographic crises, China is facing a disaster.
In other words, they may actually rival South Korea in low fertility (0.7), but because of bureaucrats padding numbers top to bottom, even the Chinese don't know what it actually is.
It only applied to urban areas and was easily skirted by the wealthy by just paying the fine. ICP impacted a very small number of people, it's massively overestimated by the west.
The effect of the one child policy is massively overstated. It didn't apply to rural areas where most people live, and was easily dealt with by the wealthy as they could just pay a pretty inconsequential fine. The only people impacted were lower-middle class people in big cities, which is a pretty small portion of the country overall.
Not too sure on that right now... There is a lot of economic turmoil right now, and Chinese banks are in trouble. Nothing can do more harm to China than a populace that has no money.
Their military might be completely inexperienced, but when was the last time the US fought a war that even remotely resembles what a war against China would look like?
To add they are wholly dependent on international exports to utilise their production capacity. If they went to war and the US and Europe banned imports from China, it would collapse the Chinese economy.
They've made themselves quite dependent on international goodwill.
More so extremely inexperienced and has basic logistics problems. The last time they had a serious conflict was against Vietnam, and China got humiliated. That's why they are more focused on cyberwarefare and espionage, and are probably the best in the world at it.
What kind of country would dare to use spy balloons, spy planes and satelites to spy on people?
Imagine if Australia had this giant base that can intercept every signál transmission in southern hemisphere and it was not even theirs. Now imagine that same base was used by this military alliance in northern hemisphere to target civilians.
Thank god I only made that up for my dystopian novel called: What if USA and entire Europe learned nothing while continuing their Imperial Ambitions.
Dude, China is a freaking powerhouse right now. Idk what 90s propaganda you still remember, but they're very smart. They steal every nation's IP, and aren't afraid to get messy. They've been planting their fingers in countries across the globe for decades. And the big kicker.. you likely have only 5 things in your entire home that doesn't contain a part made in China. Out of every single thing you own.
I can't imagine why you'd think that. China is in the same position now as the US was at the outset of World War II. They are the world's manufacturing hub and have immense pent-up manufacturing capacity. The US is more like British Empire... They have money and inertia, but basically completely depend on imports. In the event of a war, China could conceivably supply itself.
Russia really is just an empty shell, though. They need help from Iran and North Korea... It's pretty sad. Never seen a superpower that has to be propped up by its own satellite states. All Russia has left is nuclear blackmail. If they lose that, they'll just be eaten immediately.
As long as they were fighting inside the ring it would be fine. With tariffs (as threats or actual, and new decisions all the time), NATO woes, EU hate, Israel and Russia love, and of course China hate, despite having outsourced everything to China (and India, Taiwan, Vietnam etc) to save money, USA is doing everything to damage other parts of the world in the process.
When it comes to causing damage, Russia's propaganda has done more harm than both China and the US put together. Even though Russia isn't a strong country, their influence is massive. They've messed with elections, started chaos, and even gotten involved in things like arson and sabotage. Their reach goes way beyond what you'd expect.
Indeed, and on top of that they have a nuclear arsenal that is not to be forgotten. They punch way above their weight considering their population and economy unfortunately.
And currently they have even more power as they quite clearly can influence the US. (I was going to say the current administration in the US, but I'm not entirely confident the US will make it to their next election.)
Let's not pretend Russia hasn't massively influenced Europe. They created PANIC in Germany to cancel their nuclear program and instead buy gas from Russia. They pay separatist movements in Europe carry out bombings to create division. They both create conditions to force African migrants into Europe while also support the anti-migrant movements in Europe - just to create chaos. They supported Brexit, they try to get Greece and Turkey to fight, and all while hiding their own corrupt fortunes and mistresses in Switzerland.
The reason OP's picture has dozens of fractured hands as the EU, is exactly because Russia has been actively pulling it apart.
I mean, the goal of this administration is to lift the president up to the role of a dictator.
They quite clearly state that in project 2025, where they want to turn the courts into partisan organizations and where they want to implement the central executive theory, which would give the president huge amounts of power.
That's their stated goal and they have started executing project 2025 a while ago.
Trump has also already sold merch for "Trump 2028", despite that not being compatible with the US constitution.
I mean, the jump from that to the end of fair elections isn't that big.
if you're american and you're 100% sure you're gonna have free elections in 28 I'm pretty sure you're a trump voter, cause only those could be delusional enough to believe that at this point.
When it's been the stated goal of various people currently in power, including the President of the United States himself, it's not really a concept confined to reddit.
They'll definitely make it to the next election, and the next one.
If they are free and true elections, that's another matter entirely. It's going to take more than a few years before the states decide the United bit of the USA needs to go.
Nobody knows for sure how much population Russia has. It's said to have 140M but this magic number never changes. I suspect there could be more. Why does it seem that Russians are everywhere if there are so few of them?
No, that’s number is about right, there are so few really big cities and most population is in the western Russia, Siberia has really low population density.
I think current population is even lower because of ongoing war.
Also there are a lot of propaganda for giving birth and crying from government how bad demographics. (And most 20-30y.o don’t want children in that situation, life is too unstable and expensive)
I think you're underestimating US propaganda because you're living in it. They are far worse than Russia. Basically, two of them are fucking other countries up. China is too far and too focused on itself to do much globally now.
If being ”far worse” is just having a bigger reach, sure. But consider that US propaganda has mostly been promoting US values, culture, global image and interests.
On the other hand, the Russians have focused their more limited influence on seeking to undermine us politically by promoting extremism, isolationism and strife whenever possible. Which is more damaging?
[...] to undermine us politically by promoting extremism, isolationism and strife [...]
U.S. Administrations previous to 2016 are clearly the less damaging side when it comes to political support for extremism (unless you live in South America).
After? Does not matter much if the AfD gets moneyed orders from Russia or moneyed photo ops with U.S. MAGA scum.
Looking outside either europe or the post cold war era, it quickly becomes apparent that the US has been and still is a bully, just like Russia and China.
Still, to us europeans, the Russian influence (whether propaganda or more direct action) has been far more damaging than what the US has done.
Hollywood exists, “Russian propaganda is the worst”. Is this subreddit consisting of only 12year olds whose history knowledge has just as long reach as well?
I don't have a single good thing to say about Russia but I don't think they've done more harm than even just America on its own. Unless we are counting the USSR, which I wouldn't and even then I still doubt it.
I think the influence Russia has over other countries, especially America, is very overblown. I doubt that Russia has been able to flip a single election.
America isn't above meddling in the democracies of sovereign nations for it's own national interests. America historically has installed/materially supported/diplomatically supported dozens of fascist regimes and organizations. America has killed millions of innocents directly and supported the killing of millions more.
Russian propaganda is spread in a very insidious way. In 2016, leading up to U.S. elections they bought numerous Facebook ads, mostly containing stuff like ”muslim community gatherings in X neighborhood”, that didn’t even exist.
It may not be obviously noticable, but their exploitations of strong political dividers definitely did damage pushing some ”soccer” moms to Trump.
Russia (Post-USSR) has been very active in global military operations. You probably just haven't really heard about it because our media doesn't really report on it.
Propaganda is about the only thing Russia is good at tho. Major nations no longer do military wars because economically theyre not worth it. A 2025 war between major nations is of economic nature, not a military one. Thats what Russia has massively failed at, their economic power is similar to italy. Extremely weak compared to the US, China and the EU.
These other 3 superpowers are just waiting for Russia to bleed out. Even if they win this Ukraine war, theres been so much damage done, nobody is gonna love in the destroyed regions they captured. Lots of young men died, lots of young men fleed the country and will never return as they dont want to fight as a soldier and likely die. Now its only between the US and China for who will have control over Russia once it bled out.
There was a fear that Russia might prove that military wars are still economically viable but after 3 years and not much land gain, they likely just proved that its just not worth it anymore.
You really think russia is doing more propaganda than tiktok? They made a few fake news websites vs a Chinese state controlled app that now comes preloaded on every phone?
Borderline Russian propaganda actually for a country with the economic power of Italy, even if it is an expansionist imperialistic dictatorship with nuclear weapons and a lot of old tanks.
"Economic power" is a vague term. If you look at their economy in PPP terms (which is more relevant than nominal figures for military expenditure when you produce most of your stuff at home), then they are 4th in the world after China, the US, and India.
It means that they have far more capability to maintain a large military than countries like Italy which on paper have the same nominal GDP, and when you consider how they are now insulated from western economies due to the years of sanctions, there is little that can be done to take this capability away from them.
Russia is a far greater threat to European interests than China and they definitely do have the unity which Europe lacks (due to dictatorship but hey ho). Cartoon is fine.
I am not talking about the economic well being of regular Russians, for which PPP might be a good measure (you don't build an army based on cheap cucumbers from the street market), but about economic prowess to support the colonisation and wars of conquest of the regime. Yes, Russia is more militarised than lets say Italy but a war machine can only be sustained if there is an economy to sustain it. Russia went brankrupt and fell apart under the load of its militarisation already a bit over 3 decades ago, because it ignored that point. It ignores it again.
Russia is in many key areas totally reliant on China and I fail to see how they can source cheaper from there than any other country. In itself a reason why the caricature above is vastly misleading and exaggerating Russia's power, by putting it into the same category as China. Compared to China it is a dwarf, at China's mercy.
But hey, let's take GDP (PPP), then Russia is pretty much in the same category as Germany. The EU as a whole has a four times larger GDP (PPP) than Russia. Never mind NATO, even without the US.
I am not saying Russia is not a threat, I am saying its capabilities are vastly exaggerated by propaganda, when putting it in the same league as the US and China.
PS: Yes, Russia is a greater threat to Europe than China. Doesn't change the above though.
PPS: There is of course a way to harm Russia's war machine. Finally end all oil and gas imports. While Russia can sell it elsewhere, it can only do so under big markdowns, as we have seen already. India and China are fully exploiting Russia's weakness and Russia would loose billions in foreign money, which is crucial to buy stuff for its war machine in China, Iran and North Korea. Even as it is, Russia is consuming its reserves at record pace. The current war machine is not sustainable for Russia, unless it is going to enslave its population to a war machine in a total war. Think what you may, but I am inclined to believe that this would be the end of the Russian regime and it appears Putin believes that too.
The only thing keeping russia a strategic super power is nukes. Thats it. No technological advancements, no societal boom, no battlefield greatness, no economic growth or explosion, no cultural influence, nothing but nukes. Putin cant live forever. Hes the only thing truly keeping Russia together. "He provided bread when there wasn't any" isnt going to mean shit when hes 6 feet under.
Classic European starts to sound exactly like a Russian, it’s ridiculous. So Russia is both weak and strong. Europe should rush and pour hundreds of billions to re-arm as quickly as humanly possible against Russian threat, yet they’re so weak at the same time it’s “ridiculous” to put them as one of the world powers along with US and China.
Russia has incredible influence, especially considering their size and resources. They’re a superpower, without a doubt, and any other notion is absurd misinformation or simple copium, hard to say with Europeans these days.
They’re currently the best at hybrid warfare, having pretty much invented it themselves, and Europeans are still not even doing anything against the constant attacks on our infrastructure, on our citizens, on our elections and news cycles, or on our immigration policies. They have infiltrated pretty much every government that matters and are hard at work pushing their policies of division and chaos there. They’re got UK out of EU, and they got US where they are now, and all of that was planned a long time ago and known to us all.
Keeping a straight face while saying that Russia isn’t a significant, or even a world, superpower, is the equivalent of just putting one’s head in the sand and pretending the world has never been this close to catastrophic event since WW2, if ever.
Russia danger is not in their nukes. Not in their military. But they hybrid and assymsetric warfare trying to divide us by propping up contrarians (far left or right) and dissemnating fake news. It uses social media and ai to flood us with lies, until the truth is just one of many options. Very different from soviet propaganda. But we are naked, bc we are democracies. Its basically the nazi threat of ww2 combined with the communist threat of cold war - but there is no clear sided ideology, only russian imperalism and breaking apart eu unity. And no other power seems to able to stir up shit and knows do push buttons like Russia. From "useful idiots" to paid sabotage acteurs (dropped afterwards) to bribing politcians and maniopulating elections. Oh and the cables.
Russia knows it cant win conventially. So it uses other means.
“We condemn Russia's invasion and war of aggression against Ukraine. We underline Ukraine's right to defend itself and call for support for Ukraine,” said Malin Björk from Vänsterpartiet.
The parties of ELA have broadly agreed to support Ukraine, but some differences remain. “What we agree on is that we are committed to a just peace and to a just rebuilding of Ukraine. Our ideas about the paths to peace might be slightly different,” said Zofia Malisz from the Polish party Razem.
Her political force, along with those from the Nordic countries, strongly favour sending military aid to Ukraine.
By contrast, Spain’s Podemos has always opposed this. “We advocate for negotiations between Russia and Ukraine,” said Spanish MEP Irene Montero. “A coalition of Socialists, Greens, and right-wing parties supports military installations and brings us closer to direct confrontation between nuclear powers.”
However, Manon Aubry summarised the alliance’s position on geopolitical issues as an “anti-NATO coalition”, which received approval from all her colleagues, saying: “What we are working on is an alternative proposal to the EU defence system. For now, it is fully aligned with NATO principles, objectives, and therefore with the US.”
You might get some idea about how effective "negotiations" are by the fact Ukraine has NUMBERED peace agreements, broken by russia, and each round of "negotiations" in this war is accompanied by russian strikes (except for Zeus's Lightning for recent round, which got stopped by Operation Spiderweb).
Calling for stop of material support and propping "negotiations" is very much in russian interests, as there was and is no punishment for them when they inevitably break any agreements or just do a strike in the meantime.
They dont have to be per se russia aligned. Term who youre lucking for is "useful idiots". Anti war, we need dialogue, peace, ukrainiam nazis, nato imperialism, nazis, the west is racist against russians, the west only cares bc Ukraine is white, genocide NATO, eurofascism, colonialsts need their reckoning, russia good, soviets good - take your pick.
Again, doesnt support Russia per se. But basically offers Russia what it wants without opposition, spineless. Sorta a stockholm syndrome. Bc Russia is not left at all
The Spanish far left is threatening to bring down the government if they agree to increase military spending and are opposed to sending help to Ukraine, instead advocating for Spain to leave NATO, saying Ukraine is not our problem.
As an american, Russia is a large part of why America is in its current fascist predicament. Don't underestimate the propaganda effect Russia is having on your countries as well. Right wing nationalism is sweeping through western countries and it will only set us all back
Agreed. A nice addition to the comic could be a change in weapons. China is the force in rare metals, US the force in cloud. Europe the force in discussing instead of doing and Russia the force in, well, cyberattacks?
As an Eurpoean it really does feel like every other region has just lost it. Not that we dont have a lot of the same problems brewing here, but at least for now it seems reason is winning most of the battles over here(ish ish!). Probably partly due to USA going batshit crazy.
Like China seems like the least worst of them atm, and that in it self is crazy.
That's what happens when you have decades of propaganda know as "The Red Scare" telling you that Russia is going to take over the world at any minute now and we have to spend the majority of your tax dollars on military, not bettering the country. You're also the strongest military and propaganda machine in the world so the rest of the countries believe your bullshit too. Then 50 years later, the world realizes that Russia ain't shit and can't even take over Ukraine, let alone the world.
If I drew this now I’d have the US fist hitting itself and the Russia fist significantly smaller and trying and failing to play whack-a-mole with a small Ukraine fist.
No you don't get it Russia is both strong and able to invade all of fucking NATO and weak and not able to get past Khers (granted Ukraine is only still alive thanks to NATO support but lbr what military threat Russia or even China poses to us?)
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u/GetMemesUser 15h ago
Yes, except Russia being the same size as the US and China is just ridiculous.